Re: [802SEC] November 802 LMSC Workshop Update
George
The answer is Yes. The IEEE 802 LMSC workshop is intended to be an open discussion without boundaries on one basic question:
How do we serve the volunteers wishes/desires/needs better?
The answers to this question may involve activities outside of IEEE 802, IEEE SA or IEEE.
The intention is to create, per topic, a few concrete actions that have identified leads, goals and timelines.
Our current mission statement is: IEEE 802 creates timely, high-quality, innovative, market-relevant standards that enables digital communications.
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James Gilb
IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
Sep 21, 2024, 4:18 AM by george@CMEPHYCONSULTING.COM:
> Jason/Chad, thanks.
> Paul, thank you for the additional information. The main reason I asked was that I didn’t know whether it was an a) ‘added functionality’ scenario (wouldn’t it be great if we had such and such of a tool…)
> B)-a ‘best practices infrastructure’ - should we specify or invest in hardware or networking facilities)
> C) a ‘address issues with the current experience’ -reduce platform variation and bring all to a minimum level.
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> D) processes for how we conduct our meetings to make the hybrid experience better.
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> Your answers and some others fill in the gaps. I accept the assignment and know where to reach out for help
> George Zimmerman, Ph.D.
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> On Sep 20, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Jason Potterf (jpotterf) <0000142267c8912c-dmarc-request@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:
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> I would happily step in front of this bus, Chad, as I advocated in Montreal to add the "Improving quality and resiliency of mixed-mode experience" item to the workshop agenda. I felt the WGs were solving these problems on their own in ways that would benefit from the economies of scale available to us by solving this at the broader 802 level. I also have experience with other SDOs that have been mixed mode going back way before the pandemic, so happy to lead or co-lead this topic on Saturday.
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> From:> ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> on behalf of Chad Jones (cmjones) <00000b60b3f54e8d-dmarc-request@listserv.ieee.org>
> > Sent:> Friday, September 20, 2024 2:38 PM
> > To:> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
> > Subject:> Re: [802SEC] November 802 LMSC Workshop Update>
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> Not wanting to throw anyone under the bus, but Jason Potterf can provide some great insight here. He took on the task of figuring out the minimum hardware requirements to streamline the 802.3 hybrid experience. He did some exhaustive research into options ranging from Rasp PI systems, to tablets, NUKs, and laptops. 802.3 settled on laptops for various reasons and Jason can give all that info to George – but we are still in a learning phase. We shipped our gear to Hamburg for our recently concluded interim and the equipment was stuck in customs, and it looked like we couldn’t get it until Tuesday at best. We were VERY lucky that the AV company had audio interfaces and laptops that we could use, and that the AV contract was negotiated as a flat rate per attendee cost, so we got HW there for no extra out of pocket expense. I’d say no cost, but it did require me to spend a good portion of Sunday getting the systems set up, getting the laptops language set to English (with varying success), getting the Zoom and WebEx clients installed (and again, making sure they showed in English), and running test meetings in both clients to make sure the systems were ready to roll for Monday 8AM.
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> I plan to stay for the Saturday sessions and I’m happy to participate in this conversation to give our experience to this point. I assume Jason would be attending Saturday also, but I could cover for him if not.
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> As an aside, the small conference room had this really cool Sennheiser audio system, TeamConnect Wireless was the name if I recall (typing this on the plane and will send when I connect to wifi after landing in Chicago.) It could be an option for the smaller rooms that eliminates the need for microphones, mixing boards, and power speakers. The people that used it gave me very positive feedback.
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> From: > ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> on behalf of Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
> > Date: > Thursday, September 19, 2024 at 7:07> > PM
> > To: > STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
> > Subject: > Re: [802SEC] November 802 LMSC Workshop Update
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> Dear George,
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> Yes, I'll be happy to discuss further. I will be in Athens next week,
> we will have to account for a 10 hours difference in our time zones.
> The reason I'm recommending you for the "Improve mixed-mode experience"
> topic is because of the good work you did leading the mixed-mode
> meetings ad hoc during the pandemic.
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> Regarding the expectation of "improving the mixed mode experience", I
> can only speak from my personal perspective the subjective "quality of
> experience" varies significantly across and within various web
> conferencing platforms. It may be beneficial to our participants for
> 802 LMSC to standardize on a platform and implementation to provide a
> uniform experience. We would need to understand what, if any, additional
> expenses may be incurred.
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> Discussion during this topic will be a good time to get the full range
> of our colleagues views on the pros/cons of 'mixed mode' meetings --
> what can we do better? is it worth the effort and cost? where do the
> resources and funding come from? can we quantify the benefits of 'high
> quality mixed mode'? etc....
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> Regards,
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> --Paul
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> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "George Zimmerman" <george@CMEPHYCONSULTING.COM>
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Sent: 9/19/2024 4:10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] November 802 LMSC Workshop Update
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> >Paul - I'll need to confer with you to better understand what is meant here... I wasn't in the workshop planning meeting where this was added and hence need to understand who is concerned about what. The breadth of people I need to interface with for that assignment will determine whether I can accept. If you are one of those people, please contact me offline with your input.
> >Paul - we can talk next week.
> >-george
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> >President & Principal
> >CME Consulting, Inc.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
> >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2024 9:50 AM
> >To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [802SEC] November 802 LMSC Workshop Update
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> >Paul
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> >I confirm acceptance of my assignment.
> >--
> >James Gilb
> >IEEE 802 LMSC Chair
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> >Sep 18, 2024, 7:44 AM by paul.nikolich@ATT.NET:
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> >> Dear All,
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> >> Stephen McCann has kindly agreed to serve as the 802 LMSC Workshop Secretary and will give the update at the 01 Oct 2024 conference call because I will be on vacation 28 Sept to 06 Oct. Thank you Stephen.
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> >> Thank you David, Edward and Peter for stepping up to lead your topics. > We are still looking for volunteers to lead the remaining discussion topics. Since we are missing topic leaders, I suggest the following assignments. To those individuals listed below, please confirm acceptance of the assignment.
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> >> James Gilb: Revisit 802 Scope
> >> George Zimmerman: Improve mixed-mode experience Tuncer Baykas: Improve
> >> SW platforms Geoff Thompson: Initiate new IEEE Milestone activities
> >> David Halasz: Succession Planning Dorothy Stanley/Glenn Parsons:
> >> Collaborative activities with other SDOs, Alliances, SIGs, etc.
> >> Clint Powell: Improve recognition of exceptional performance
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> >> Short Term Topics
> >> Attendance requirements – in person vs remote. David Law, leader.
> >> Improving quality and resiliency of mixed-mode experience
> >> Maintain/improve existing SW platforms: Web pages (content and web platform), Mentor, IMAT, email archive, calendar, Grouper, etc.
> >> Initiate additional IEEE 802 Milestone activities Improve
> >> collaboration with Computer Society. Edward Au, leader.
> >> Long Term Topics
> >> Revisit 802 LMSC Scope
> >> Leadership succession planning and participant support Collaborative
> >> activities with other SDOs, Alliances, SIGs, etc.
> >> Discuss permissible commercial activities. Peter Yee, leader.
> >> Improve recognition of exceptional performance Thank you and Regards,
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> >> --Paul
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> >> ------ Original Message ------
> >> From: "Stephen McCann" <> mccann.stephen@GMAIL.COM> >
> >> To: > STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> >> Sent: 9/18/2024 4:05:02 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [802SEC] 01 Oct 2024 IEEE 802 LMSC Conference Call -
> >> Draft Agenda
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> >>> John,
> >>> following a short discussion with Paul, I'd like to add an agenda item to provide a short update on the preparations for the November 2024 LMSC workshop. 5 minutes should suffice.
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> >>> Kind regards
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> >>> Stephen
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> >>> On Tue, 17 Sept 2024 at 04:44, John D'Ambrosia <>> jdambrosia@gmail.com>> > wrote:
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> >>>> All,
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> >>>> The draft agenda for the 01 Oct 2024 IEEE 802 LMSC conference call
> >>>> has been posted -
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> >>>> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/24/ec-24-0219-00-00EC-01-oct-2024
> >>>> -802-ec-monthly-teleconference-agenda.xlsx
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> >>>> Please review and get back to me with any requests for modifications.
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> >>>> Regards
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> >>>> John D’Ambrosia
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> >>>> Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC
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