Mike
Thanks for the info, could you add a short summary of it to your slides
that you need to submit to me?
Thanks
James Gilb
On 04/09/2015 09:05 AM, Michael Lynch wrote:
> Pat and James,
>
> The RR-TAG charter was approved by the "IEEE 802 LMSC SEC, July 2002". I'll try to find the minutes from that meeting when I get back here to my office later today.
>
> In May, 2014, the RR-TAG reviewed the charter and found it to be correct. A link to the charter can be found on the 802.18 webpage,
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mike
>
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> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups
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> Pat
>
> Well, the good news is that each of the chairs would only be required to find their own scope motion.
>
> Mike, I am pretty sure, knows the document we used to approve 802.18 as well as the date when it was approved.
>
> In any event, I am not going to chase them down.
>
> Going forward, we will review and, IMHO, reaffirm the scope yearly, hence the motions should be easy to find going forward.
>
> James Gilb
>
> On 04/08/2015 04:28 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:
>> The motions for the IETF and, I think, ITU subcommittees were last year so they should be easy to find and reference.
>> 802.24 we just approved a change to their scope so that motion should be easy to find.
>>
>> 802.18 would be very difficult to unearth - that was formed years ago.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> The scope is the scope that was assigned to it by the EC. I won't
>> stop anyone from going back through the minutes to determine what the
>> motion was that formed the group.
>>
>> James Gilb
>>
>> On 04/05/2015 08:35 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>> James-
>>>
>>> It seems to me that (e.g.) the scope should be something more authoritative than just what the WG Chair says it is at the time of the survey.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>> On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:50 PMPDT, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>> That would be fine with me. After this, the subgroups could reference the previous review date by the EC.
>>>>
>>>> Also: With respect to membership, what I meant to ask for was how memberships is determined for the subgroup. For most of them standing committees, it is like a study group, everyone in the room can vote. The actions of these groups is advisory, so the
impact of a vote is only to provide advice to the EC.
>>>>
>>>> For the TAGs, membership is determined by the IEEE 802 WG P&P, so referencing the appropriate section would be correct.
>>>>
>>>> James Gilb
>>>>
>>>> On 04/03/2015 04:09 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>>>> James-
>>>>> It would seem that we should have something more than a declaration by the sub-group chair that responds to the implied questions put forth by the headings. Specifically with respect to:- Name of the subgroup
>>>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or
>>>>> decided by nomination and election)
>>>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>>>> I believe that there should be references provided as to the motions (if they exist) that establish each of these items.
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 3:46 PM, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All
>>>>>
>>>>> Our P&Ps states for "Other subgroups" that "The scope, duties, and
>>>>> membership of all subgroups shall be reviewed annually by the Sponsor."
>>>>>
>>>>> The scope and duties of a Working Group (WG) are determined by the
>>>>> active PARs assinged to that WG. The work of the WG in creating
>>>>> standards is reviewed by the EC multiple times and so does not fall
>>>>> into this requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, our TAGs and Standing Committees do not have PARs and so
>>>>> the Sponsor Chair has asked that we perform this review during our
>>>>> June 2015 Conference call and has assigned me the task of gathering the input.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I need from each Standing Committee Chair or TAG Chair, slides
>>>>> by May 1, 2015 that answer the following questions:
>>>>> - Name of the subgroup
>>>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or
>>>>> decided by nomination and election)
>>>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>>>> - Membership of the subgroup
>>>>> - A statement of which of the following complementary
>>>>> activities is
>>>>> appropriate:
>>>>> 1) The subgroup is responsible for the definitive content
>>>>> of one or more documents and for responding to views and objections thereon.
>>>>> Such subgroups shall maintain a membership roster and shall comply
>>>>> with the provisions for preparing standard(s).
>>>>> 2) The subgroup is responsible for assisting the Sponsor
>>>>> (e.g., drafting all or a portion of a document, drafting responses
>>>>> to comments, drafting public statements on standards, or other
>>>>> purely advisory functions).
>>>>> (I suspect all our "Other subgroups" are number 2).
>>>>>
>>>>> I will create a single presentation and upload it to mentor.
>>>>>
>>>>> The subgroups and Chairs that need to respond are (please correct
>>>>> me if I am wrong):
>>>>> - IEEE 802.18 TAG - Mike Lynch
>>>>> - IEEE 802.24 TAG - Tim Godfrey
>>>>> - 802 EC/IETF Standing Committee - Pat Thaler
>>>>> - 802 JTC1 Standing Committee - Andrew Myles
>>>>> - 802 EC/ITU Standing Committee - Glenn Parsons
>>>>> - Wireless Chairs Standing Committee - Bob Heile
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> James Gilb
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