Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups
Pat and James,
The RR-TAG charter was approved by the "IEEE 802 LMSC SEC, July 2002". I'll try to find the minutes from that meeting when I get back here to my office later today.
In May, 2014, the RR-TAG reviewed the charter and found it to be correct. A link to the charter can be found on the 802.18 webpage,
Best regards,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups
Pat
Well, the good news is that each of the chairs would only be required to find their own scope motion.
Mike, I am pretty sure, knows the document we used to approve 802.18 as well as the date when it was approved.
In any event, I am not going to chase them down.
Going forward, we will review and, IMHO, reaffirm the scope yearly, hence the motions should be easy to find going forward.
James Gilb
On 04/08/2015 04:28 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:
> The motions for the IETF and, I think, ITU subcommittees were last year so they should be easy to find and reference.
> 802.24 we just approved a change to their scope so that motion should be easy to find.
>
> 802.18 would be very difficult to unearth - that was formed years ago.
>
> Pat
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> Geoff
>
> The scope is the scope that was assigned to it by the EC. I won't
> stop anyone from going back through the minutes to determine what the
> motion was that formed the group.
>
> James Gilb
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> On 04/05/2015 08:35 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>> James-
>>
>> It seems to me that (e.g.) the scope should be something more authoritative than just what the WG Chair says it is at the time of the survey.
>>
>> Geoff
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>>> On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:50 PMPDT, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
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>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> That would be fine with me. After this, the subgroups could reference the previous review date by the EC.
>>>
>>> Also: With respect to membership, what I meant to ask for was how memberships is determined for the subgroup. For most of them standing committees, it is like a study group, everyone in the room can vote. The actions of these groups is advisory, so the impact of a vote is only to provide advice to the EC.
>>>
>>> For the TAGs, membership is determined by the IEEE 802 WG P&P, so referencing the appropriate section would be correct.
>>>
>>> James Gilb
>>>
>>> On 04/03/2015 04:09 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>>> James-
>>>> It would seem that we should have something more than a declaration by the sub-group chair that responds to the implied questions put forth by the headings. Specifically with respect to:- Name of the subgroup
>>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or
>>>> decided by nomination and election)
>>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>>> I believe that there should be references provided as to the motions (if they exist) that establish each of these items.
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 3:46 PM, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All
>>>>
>>>> Our P&Ps states for "Other subgroups" that "The scope, duties, and
>>>> membership of all subgroups shall be reviewed annually by the Sponsor."
>>>>
>>>> The scope and duties of a Working Group (WG) are determined by the
>>>> active PARs assinged to that WG. The work of the WG in creating
>>>> standards is reviewed by the EC multiple times and so does not fall
>>>> into this requirement.
>>>>
>>>> However, our TAGs and Standing Committees do not have PARs and so
>>>> the Sponsor Chair has asked that we perform this review during our
>>>> June 2015 Conference call and has assigned me the task of gathering the input.
>>>>
>>>> So, I need from each Standing Committee Chair or TAG Chair, slides
>>>> by May 1, 2015 that answer the following questions:
>>>> - Name of the subgroup
>>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or
>>>> decided by nomination and election)
>>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>>> - Membership of the subgroup
>>>> - A statement of which of the following complementary
>>>> activities is
>>>> appropriate:
>>>> 1) The subgroup is responsible for the definitive content
>>>> of one or more documents and for responding to views and objections thereon.
>>>> Such subgroups shall maintain a membership roster and shall comply
>>>> with the provisions for preparing standard(s).
>>>> 2) The subgroup is responsible for assisting the Sponsor
>>>> (e.g., drafting all or a portion of a document, drafting responses
>>>> to comments, drafting public statements on standards, or other
>>>> purely advisory functions).
>>>> (I suspect all our "Other subgroups" are number 2).
>>>>
>>>> I will create a single presentation and upload it to mentor.
>>>>
>>>> The subgroups and Chairs that need to respond are (please correct
>>>> me if I am wrong):
>>>> - IEEE 802.18 TAG - Mike Lynch
>>>> - IEEE 802.24 TAG - Tim Godfrey
>>>> - 802 EC/IETF Standing Committee - Pat Thaler
>>>> - 802 JTC1 Standing Committee - Andrew Myles
>>>> - 802 EC/ITU Standing Committee - Glenn Parsons
>>>> - Wireless Chairs Standing Committee - Bob Heile
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>> James Gilb
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