Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups
The motions for the IETF and, I think, ITU subcommittees were last year so they should be easy to find and reference.
802.24 we just approved a change to their scope so that motion should be easy to find.
802.18 would be very difficult to unearth - that was formed years ago.
Pat
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Geoff
The scope is the scope that was assigned to it by the EC. I won't stop
anyone from going back through the minutes to determine what the motion
was that formed the group.
James Gilb
On 04/05/2015 08:35 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
> James-
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> It seems to me that (e.g.) the scope should be something more authoritative than just what the WG Chair says it is at the time of the survey.
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> Geoff
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>> On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:50 PMPDT, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
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>> Geoff
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>> That would be fine with me. After this, the subgroups could reference the previous review date by the EC.
>>
>> Also: With respect to membership, what I meant to ask for was how memberships is determined for the subgroup. For most of them standing committees, it is like a study group, everyone in the room can vote. The actions of these groups is advisory, so the impact of a vote is only to provide advice to the EC.
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>> For the TAGs, membership is determined by the IEEE 802 WG P&P, so referencing the appropriate section would be correct.
>>
>> James Gilb
>>
>> On 04/03/2015 04:09 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>> James-
>>> It would seem that we should have something more than a declaration by the sub-group chair that responds to the implied questions put forth by the headings. Specifically with respect to:- Name of the subgroup
>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or decided by
>>> nomination and election)
>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>> I believe that there should be references provided as to the motions (if they exist) that establish each of these items.
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 3, 2015 3:46 PM, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> Our P&Ps states for "Other subgroups" that "The scope, duties, and
>>> membership of all subgroups shall be reviewed annually by the Sponsor."
>>>
>>> The scope and duties of a Working Group (WG) are determined by the
>>> active PARs assinged to that WG. The work of the WG in creating
>>> standards is reviewed by the EC multiple times and so does not fall into
>>> this requirement.
>>>
>>> However, our TAGs and Standing Committees do not have PARs and so the
>>> Sponsor Chair has asked that we perform this review during our June 2015
>>> Conference call and has assigned me the task of gathering the input.
>>>
>>> So, I need from each Standing Committee Chair or TAG Chair, slides by
>>> May 1, 2015 that answer the following questions:
>>> - Name of the subgroup
>>> - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or decided by
>>> nomination and election)
>>> - Scope of the subgroup
>>> - Duties of the subgroup
>>> - Membership of the subgroup
>>> - A statement of which of the following complementary activities is
>>> appropriate:
>>> 1) The subgroup is responsible for the definitive content of one
>>> or more documents and for responding to views and objections thereon.
>>> Such subgroups shall maintain a membership roster and shall comply with
>>> the provisions for preparing standard(s).
>>> 2) The subgroup is responsible for assisting the Sponsor (e.g.,
>>> drafting all or a portion of a document, drafting responses to comments,
>>> drafting public statements on standards, or other purely advisory
>>> functions).
>>> (I suspect all our "Other subgroups" are number 2).
>>>
>>> I will create a single presentation and upload it to mentor.
>>>
>>> The subgroups and Chairs that need to respond are (please correct me if
>>> I am wrong):
>>> - IEEE 802.18 TAG - Mike Lynch
>>> - IEEE 802.24 TAG - Tim Godfrey
>>> - 802 EC/IETF Standing Committee - Pat Thaler
>>> - 802 JTC1 Standing Committee - Andrew Myles
>>> - 802 EC/ITU Standing Committee - Glenn Parsons
>>> - Wireless Chairs Standing Committee - Bob Heile
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> James Gilb
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