James,
Speaking as the guy who will have to deal with people next go around - I would like to see both letters (endorsement / affiliation) called out in the rules, and believe both voting and non-voting should be required to provide both.
John
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
All
BTW: The issue here is the endorsement letter. The affiliation letter
is required by ruling of the Chair. I suspect that you both are
referring the the endorsement letter.
We could modify the text in c) (for the affiliation letter) to say
something like:
c) Recognition that the individual is expected to act as both a
professional and as an individual expert and, if voting, in accordance
with the conditions stated in the Voting Guidance subclause of the IEEE
802 Operations Manual.
That would cover it, I think.
James Gilb
On 07/06/2012 07:41 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:
I agree with John. An additional reason is that non-voting EC members can also have substantive assignments from the EC chair including sitting on appeals panels.
Pat
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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:31 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
James,
I believe all members, including their alternates, of the sponsor should be required to provide the necessary letters of endorsement.
Non-voting members should also provide the affiliation letter. A modified version of the affiliation letter, which doesn't include the statement regarding how to vote, should also be required. IMHO, such individuals still contribute to a decision process without voting by their participation in the debate of issues.
John
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:15 PM
To: 802 EC
Subject: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
All
In the interest of getting the P&P changes onto AudCom's agenda, I would
like to start discussion of the proposed changes by email so that we can
have some level of consensus by the Sunday night rules meeting that will
lead to a successful motion on Monday morning.
Accordingly, I would like to take up discussion of one of the proposed
changes on this email in search of feedback.
Every 2 years, the Recording secretary asks for letters of endorsement
from potential EC members. Currently the rule states "Any person to be
confirmed by the Sponsor shall ...". I had produced two suggestions:
a) "All members of the Sponsor shall ..."
b) "All voting members of the Sponsor shall ..."
However, I have noticed that this leaves out WG and TAG Vice Chairs, who
are not members of the Sponsor, but can vote (under the newly modified
rules) and are confirmed by the sponsor.
It turns out that there is no central place that lists all the persons
that are to be confirmed by the Sponsor.
So 2 questions:
1) Should non-voting members of the Sponsor be required to file
letters of affiliation including the statement regarding how to vote?
2) Should we add a list of the persons to be confirmed by the Sponsor?
James Gilb
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