Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
John,
There are non-voting members who do participate and can have impacts on the decision process via their actual participation.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: J Lemon [mailto:jlemon@meus.us]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:30 PM
To: John D'Ambrosia
Cc: James P. K. Gilb; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
I see no reason why I, as a non-voting member of the EC, should need to
show either endorsement or affiliation. I don't partake in any
activities of the EC. So why would I need to prove that some entity
endorses my lack of activities? And since I can't vote, how does my
affiliation have any effect on anything?
John Lemon
Chair of Hibernated 802.17
On 7/6/2012 10:56 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
> James,
> Speaking as the guy who will have to deal with people next go around - I would like to see both letters (endorsement / affiliation) called out in the rules, and believe both voting and non-voting should be required to provide both.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:40 PM
> To: Pat Thaler
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
>
> All
>
> BTW: The issue here is the endorsement letter. The affiliation letter
> is required by ruling of the Chair. I suspect that you both are
> referring the the endorsement letter.
>
> We could modify the text in c) (for the affiliation letter) to say
> something like:
> c) Recognition that the individual is expected to act as both a
> professional and as an individual expert and, if voting, in accordance
> with the conditions stated in the Voting Guidance subclause of the IEEE
> 802 Operations Manual.
>
> That would cover it, I think.
>
> James Gilb
>
> On 07/06/2012 07:41 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:
>> I agree with John. An additional reason is that non-voting EC members can also have substantive assignments from the EC chair including sitting on appeals panels.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:31 AM
>> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
>>
>> James,
>> I believe all members, including their alternates, of the sponsor should be required to provide the necessary letters of endorsement.
>>
>> Non-voting members should also provide the affiliation letter. A modified version of the affiliation letter, which doesn't include the statement regarding how to vote, should also be required. IMHO, such individuals still contribute to a decision process without voting by their participation in the debate of issues.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:15 PM
>> To: 802 EC
>> Subject: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
>>
>> All
>>
>> In the interest of getting the P&P changes onto AudCom's agenda, I would
>> like to start discussion of the proposed changes by email so that we can
>> have some level of consensus by the Sunday night rules meeting that will
>> lead to a successful motion on Monday morning.
>>
>> Accordingly, I would like to take up discussion of one of the proposed
>> changes on this email in search of feedback.
>>
>> Every 2 years, the Recording secretary asks for letters of endorsement
>> from potential EC members. Currently the rule states "Any person to be
>> confirmed by the Sponsor shall ...". I had produced two suggestions:
>>
>> a) "All members of the Sponsor shall ..."
>> b) "All voting members of the Sponsor shall ..."
>>
>> However, I have noticed that this leaves out WG and TAG Vice Chairs, who
>> are not members of the Sponsor, but can vote (under the newly modified
>> rules) and are confirmed by the sponsor.
>>
>> It turns out that there is no central place that lists all the persons
>> that are to be confirmed by the Sponsor.
>>
>> So 2 questions:
>> 1) Should non-voting members of the Sponsor be required to file
>> letters of affiliation including the statement regarding how to vote?
>> 2) Should we add a list of the persons to be confirmed by the Sponsor?
>>
>> James Gilb
>>
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