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Apologies, as I’m not an EC member, but butting in anyway…
My take on questions like this is that if you have a specific decision you’re trying to make based on member input, then you should ask that decision as the question, otherwise the input is confused/confusing. If the question (really) is, “At what point should our meeting planning/leadership and treasurers start to plan for F2F meetings again?” then that’s what you should ask. But, you’ll need to provide the membership(s) with at least a little background information on the costs of making changes at various points (for example, George’s point about just prior to opening registration, versus way earlier (4-6 months ahead), versus last minute), so others can evaluate the choices as George described.
In this case, for lack of any better guidance, I took the survey question to be asking me to take my best guess (crystal ball stuff) of when most jurisdictions were likely to have lifted travel and meeting restrictions, and nothing else. (That is, I didn’t consider costs of change, etc., as I don’t know what those are or when they occur.) So, I just assumed this was an opinion poll, and not a decision tree answer being sought.
Mark
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of George Zimmerman
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 9:03 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] 2020 Nov Plenary - Straw Poll request for Closing sessions.
Andrew –
If the question were somewhat different, I would concur with you. However, the question is, perhaps, phrased as an ‘expectation’ asking the respondent to predict the future. Further, they are asked to predict not only for themselves, but for others in 802.
If I were asked that question, while I have no explicit restrictions and would follow a set of protocols for safe travel, I would probably answer November 2021 – because of others. However, for myself, I would evaluate the situation at each meeting opportunity, as information becomes more available. We are in a time where information available is highly variable with regards to vaccines, outbreaks, and personal risk, so it is not unreasonable that others, including companies, will continually re-evaluate.
As such, for 802, I would consider the cost of planning and pushing off meetings at a known decision date, likely just prior to opening registration or other time when the financial or logistic risk goes up significantly. I believe Jon is considering that, and I know I do as treasurer.
The questions which have been asked, have been asked. This is useful, but (at least for me), I don’t believe actionable information at this time. It might be useful to be a little more precise in the future as to what we want to know.
What I believe we really want to know is something like, “Based upon your affiliation’s and other restrictions, as well as your personal comfort level, when is the earliest you expect to be able to attend an 802.x face-to-face meeting”
-george
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles)
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] 2020 Nov Plenary - Straw Poll request for Closing sessions.
G’day all
If one considers 75% to be a reasonable measure of consensus then both the 802.1 WG and 802.11 WG polls suggest we should not plan another F2F until Nov 2021.
Andrew
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] 2020 Nov Plenary - Straw Poll request for Closing sessions.
Thanks Glenn,
We need to capture the number of companies with the travel ban, Work from Home (WFH) only policies.
As we get through this hard period of time, we need to be careful and mindful of everyone's concerns and safety.
I will compile your results to a consolidated report for Friday.
I hope the other WGs will be able to conduct similar (if not the same polls).
Regards,
Jon
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:20 PM Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> wrote:
Jon,
In 802.1 at our closing plenary today we asked your question at the end of the plenary. As we were already in overtime there were only 52 responses. We had about 90 at our peak.
When do you expect the next in person 802.1 Session will be?
A.- March 2021 3 6%
B.- May 2021 7 13%
C.- July 2021 12 23%
D.- Sept 2021 11 21%
E.- November 2021 9 17%
F.- after 2021 7 13%
No Answer 3 6%
As well, we also asked a modified version (as some members were not clear):
When do you expect to next attend in person an 802.1 Session?
A.- March 2021 2 4%
B.- May 2021 8 15%
C.- July 2021 14 27%
D.- Sept 2021 9 17%
E.- November 2021 9 17%
F.- 2022 or later 7 13%
No Answer 3 6%
As an aside, in addition to personal preference to not travel until there is a vaccine, several mentioned that their employers already had travel restrictions in place until the end of either Q1 or Q2 2021.
Cheers,
Glenn.
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 10:47 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] 2020 Nov Plenary - Straw Poll request for Closing sessions.
Greetings,
During the 802.11 Closing Plenary, we held a straw poll and I would ask if you have time in your closing plenaries to ask the question " When do you expect the next in person 802.11 Session will be? " with the 6 options as noted below. Please send me the results:
The 802.11 results are noted below:
When do you expect the next in person 802.11 Session will be?
A.– March 2021 17/217 ( 8%)
B.- May 2021 14/217 ( 6%)
C. - July 2021 57/217 ( 26%)
D.- Sept 2021 29/217 ( 13%)
E.- November 2021 16/217 ( 7%)
F.- after 2021 25/217 ( 12%)
No Answer 59/217 ( 27%)
Thanks,
Jon
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