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G’day George, I believe that the answers questions to the 802.11 WG and the 802.1 WG represent a great example of crowd sourcing. Now we just need to work out what the results mean … IMHO, the results represent the perspective of those that expressed an opinion based on the information available at the time, weighted by personal bias. Factors people probably took into account
include:
I suspect that most people did not take into account the cost to the IEEE 802 of cancelling meeting on the basis there is not a good understanding of those costs by many, and most are more concerned
about safety and personal practical considerations anyway. However, if they did take the IEEE 802 costs into account then it would most likely cause their estimate to be earlier than if they just took other factors into account. For the purposes of interpreting
the results of the polls, I suggest we assume they are not affected by the cost to IEEE 802 of cancelling meetings. The results from 802.1 WG and 802.11 therefore are a reasonable crowd sourced evaluations of the earliest people believe a meeting should be held, ignoring the cost to the IEEE 802 of cancelling
meetings. Another interpretation is that it is the earliest they believe it is sensible for a reasonable person to organise a meeting in the current environment, knowing what we know today! The results of the two polls in 802.1 WG and the one poll in the 802.11 WG are remarkably similar. They show:
They also show that 802.11 WG folk are more
gung ho that 802.1 WG folk! 😊 So based on what we know today, we should probably not even think about holding a meeting until about Nov 2021 (I am assuming we need some form of consensus to hold a meeting). However, we also do
not need to make a decision today. We only need to make a decision at points in time where IEEE 802 is exposed to significant additional costs.
This suggests we should continue asking the WG participants questions similar to those asked this week. The answers will reflect the knowledge and situation at the time and will provide the EC the
best information to make difficult decisions in the best interests of all IEEE 802 member/participants. I am sure the EC will execute their task with care and professionalism … with lots of help from the “peanut gallery”
😉 Andrew From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of George Zimmerman Andrew – If the question were somewhat different, I would concur with you. However, the question is, perhaps, phrased as an ‘expectation’ asking the respondent to predict the future. Further, they are asked to predict not only
for themselves, but for others in 802. If I were asked that question, while I have no explicit restrictions and would follow a set of protocols for safe travel, I would probably answer November 2021 – because of others. However, for myself, I would evaluate
the situation at each meeting opportunity, as information becomes more available. We are in a time where information available is highly variable with regards to vaccines, outbreaks, and personal risk, so it is not unreasonable that others, including companies,
will continually re-evaluate. As such, for 802, I would consider the cost of planning and pushing off meetings at a known decision date, likely just prior to opening registration or other time when the financial or logistic risk goes up significantly.
I believe Jon is considering that, and I know I do as treasurer. The questions which have been asked, have been asked. This is useful, but (at least for me), I don’t believe actionable information at this time. It might be useful to be a little more precise in the future as to what
we want to know. What I believe we really want to know is something like, “Based upon your affiliation’s and other restrictions, as well as your personal comfort level, when is the earliest you expect to be able to attend an 802.x face-to-face
meeting” -george From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles) G’day all If one considers 75% to be a reasonable measure of consensus then both the 802.1 WG and 802.11 WG polls suggest we should not plan another F2F until Nov 2021. Andrew From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl Thanks Glenn, We need to capture the number of companies with the travel ban, Work from Home (WFH) only policies. As we get through this hard period of time, we need to be careful and mindful of everyone's concerns and safety. I will compile your results to a consolidated report for Friday. I hope the other WGs will be able to conduct similar (if not the same polls). Regards, Jon
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:20 PM Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> wrote:
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