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Apologies, as I’m not an EC member, but butting in anyway… My take on questions like this is that if you have a specific decision you’re trying to make based on member input, then you should ask that decision as the question, otherwise the input is confused/confusing. If the question (really) is, “At what point should our meeting planning/leadership and treasurers start to plan for F2F meetings again?” then that’s what you should ask. But, you’ll need to provide the membership(s) with at least a little background information on the costs of making changes at various points (for example, George’s point about just prior to opening registration, versus way earlier (4-6 months ahead), versus last minute), so others can evaluate the choices as George described. In this case, for lack of any better guidance, I took the survey question to be asking me to take my best guess (crystal ball stuff) of when most jurisdictions were likely to have lifted travel and meeting restrictions, and nothing else. (That is, I didn’t consider costs of change, etc., as I don’t know what those are or when they occur.) So, I just assumed this was an opinion poll, and not a decision tree answer being sought. Mark From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of George Zimmerman Andrew – If the question were somewhat different, I would concur with you. However, the question is, perhaps, phrased as an ‘expectation’ asking the respondent to predict the future. Further, they are asked to predict not only for themselves, but for others in 802. If I were asked that question, while I have no explicit restrictions and would follow a set of protocols for safe travel, I would probably answer November 2021 – because of others. However, for myself, I would evaluate the situation at each meeting opportunity, as information becomes more available. We are in a time where information available is highly variable with regards to vaccines, outbreaks, and personal risk, so it is not unreasonable that others, including companies, will continually re-evaluate. As such, for 802, I would consider the cost of planning and pushing off meetings at a known decision date, likely just prior to opening registration or other time when the financial or logistic risk goes up significantly. I believe Jon is considering that, and I know I do as treasurer. The questions which have been asked, have been asked. This is useful, but (at least for me), I don’t believe actionable information at this time. It might be useful to be a little more precise in the future as to what we want to know. What I believe we really want to know is something like, “Based upon your affiliation’s and other restrictions, as well as your personal comfort level, when is the earliest you expect to be able to attend an 802.x face-to-face meeting” -george From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles) G’day all If one considers 75% to be a reasonable measure of consensus then both the 802.1 WG and 802.11 WG polls suggest we should not plan another F2F until Nov 2021. Andrew From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl Thanks Glenn, We need to capture the number of companies with the travel ban, Work from Home (WFH) only policies. As we get through this hard period of time, we need to be careful and mindful of everyone's concerns and safety. I will compile your results to a consolidated report for Friday. I hope the other WGs will be able to conduct similar (if not the same polls). Regards, Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Rosdahl Engineer, Senior Staff
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:20 PM Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com> wrote:
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