Agree. Most likely the folks at the FCC who really need to know already know where to find docs. So a link is appropriate rather than listing all docs where you do run the risk of missing out some.
Regards,
Vijay Auluck
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Hi John,
I can't say for sure that only those 2 or 3 people at the FCC will see the letter, but I can tell you that one of those people has contacted me and stated that his job is to summarize the activities of the group for internal review. It
is unlikely that anyone other than those three people will try to read through over 120 documents. Again, this represents a large percentage of the REG-SC activities over the past two years, so trying to list all these documents isn't really narrowing the
search very much compared to a simple, clean pointer to REG-SC. As I mentioned previously, trying to parse the list may omit REG-SC documents where DSRC was discussed. I still believe a simple link is most appropriate.
On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, <John_DAmbrosia@dell.com> wrote:
Jim,
Noting your statement in Item #1 – will you please clarify if these will be the only individuals from
the FCC that may be reviewing this letter?
While I appreciate the noted effort – the simple reality is I believe that this contribution could
be viewed by more than just these 2 or 3 people who have participated actively. We should make a best effort to list all documents with a pointer to the proposed list, in case any other contributions may have been missed. (Appropriate language to be finalized).
Regards,
John
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC Tiger Team
As the chair of the Tiger Team, I'd like to clarify a couple of things:
1) During the last several months of its activities, we had
active participation from the FCC in the Tiger Team calls. Not just one person, but usually 2 or 3 people. They are well aware of how to use Mentor and get the documents they are interested in. We do not need to send a detailed list of documents.
2) Parsing out a "complete list" of documents isn't as easy as it sounds. We had discussions in some of the REG-SC meetings about DSRC Coex TT activities which make the line between
TT activities and REC-SC activities fuzzy at best. Many, if not most, of the REG-SC documents over the last two years have been related to the DSRC Coex TT anyway. This is not looking for a needle in a haystack.
In summary, as Rich, John K. and Adrian have pointed out, a link to the REG-SC list is the most appropriate way to point to the Tiger Team's activities. Trying to get more granular
is not necessary given the active participation by the FCC and would unnecessarily clutter up the letter, in my opinion.
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:00 AM, John DAmbrosia <John_DAmbrosia@dell.com> wrote:
While I realize it is probably more work, I believe the best path forward is to provide the complete
list, and not count on any regulatory body to parse through Mentor to find the appropriate documents.
I agree. There is no link that will get only the tiger team docs.
You’d probably have to search on “DSRC” or “Tiger”, and the mentor URL
doesn’t support that.
So the choice is to list them all, or to include all REG SC docs, and hope the
FCC have the intelligence to ignore the irrelevant ones.
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Paul, thanks for this suggestion to provide information about the Tiger Team to the FCC.
As for the link to provide, I appreciate the motivation for Roger's narrower list, but I notice it leaves out several key documents from the Tiger Team record:
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Most importantly it omits both of the two original sharing proposal documents contributed to the Tiger Team (11-13-0994/r0 and 11-13-1276/r1).
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It also omits a detailed critique of one proposal (11-14-1101/r1).
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It also omits some other salient contributions (US DOT test beds, channel models)
So, absent a better suggestion,
I prefer to use Paul's original link.
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:
Roger your suggested URL is a nice suggestion.
I would support updating the URL
Regards,
Jon
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On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Adrian,
In keeping with my suggestion of a list, a simple solution is to refer to this link:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_dcn=dsrc&is_group=0reg
That gives all the Regulatory SC documents with "DSRC" in the title. It has 129 hits, out of the 500 or so Regulatory SC documents.
If that's not the right list, then I'd propose inserting a hard list into the document.
Regards,
Roger
Stephens, Adrian P wrote:
Hello all,
I believe Paul’s intent is not to highlight any particular document, but the corpus (nice
word, that) of all documents that comprise the entire discussion of the tiger team, including contributions, minutes, reports etc...
The majority of documents in the REG SC area (linked) since 2013 relate to this activity.
I estimate the number to be around 120.
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Paul,
I like the approach. However, the link points to a repository of every 802.11 Regulatory SC document of the past (and of the future too, for that matter). I think it would be better to make a list of all the relevant documents and add that to the statement.
Roger
Paul Nikolich wrote:
I am at the 802 wireless interim session in Vancouver Canada this week and met with a few of the key interested parties
to resolve the pending 802-to-FCC communication regarding the completion of the 802.11 RR DSRC TT work. We put together a short, straightforward statement regarding the activity. It was agreed to by everyone involved as an effective way to communicate the
accomplishments of the Tiger Team. It is located at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/15/ec-15-0035-00-00EC-letter-to-fcc-regarding-802-11-rr-dsrc-tt.pdf.
My plan to close the pending 802/FCC/DSRC-TT action item from the March plenary closing EC meeting is to ask AdrianS
and JonR to move/second a motion for EC email ballot that authorizes me to forward the document to the FCC as part of their 13-49 proceeding.
Please review the document and let me know if you have suggestions to improve the content--but remember, I want to
keep this communication as brief and straightforward as possible.
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