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Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC Tiger Team

All,
  As the chair of the Tiger Team, I'd like to clarify a couple of things:
1) During the last several months of its activities, we had active participation from the FCC in the Tiger Team calls.  Not just one person, but usually 2 or 3 people.  They are well aware of how to use Mentor and get the documents they are interested in.  We do not need to send a detailed list of documents.
2) Parsing out a "complete list" of documents isn't as easy as it sounds.  We had discussions in some of the REG-SC meetings about DSRC Coex TT activities which make the line between TT activities and REC-SC activities fuzzy at best.  Many, if not most, of the REG-SC documents over the last two years have been related to the DSRC Coex TT anyway.  This is not looking for a needle in a haystack.
  In summary, as Rich, John K. and Adrian have pointed out, a link to the REG-SC list is the most appropriate way to point to the Tiger Team's activities.  Trying to get more granular is not necessary given the active participation by the FCC and would unnecessarily clutter up the letter, in my opinion.
Best regards,
Jim


On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 8:00 AM, John DAmbrosia <John_DAmbrosia@dell.com> wrote:

While I realize it is probably more work, I believe the best path forward is to provide the complete list, and not count on any regulatory body to parse through Mentor to find the appropriate documents.

 

From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:54 AM


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Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC Tiger Team

 

I agree.  There is no link that will get only the tiger team docs.

You’d probably have to search on “DSRC” or “Tiger”,  and the mentor URL

doesn’t support that.

 

So the choice is to list them all,  or to include all REG SC docs, and hope the

FCC have the intelligence to ignore the irrelevant ones.

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 9:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC Tiger Team

 

Hi All:

 

Paul, thanks for this suggestion to provide information about the Tiger Team to the FCC.

 

As for the link to provide, I appreciate the motivation for Roger's narrower list, but I notice it leaves out several key documents from the Tiger Team record:

  • Most importantly it omits both of the two original sharing proposal documents contributed to the Tiger Team (11-13-0994/r0 and 11-13-1276/r1).
  • It also omits a detailed critique of one proposal (11-14-1101/r1). 
  • It also omits some other salient contributions (US DOT test beds, channel models)

So, absent a better suggestion, I prefer to use Paul's original link.

 

Best Regards,

John Kenney

 

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:

Roger your suggested URL is a nice suggestion.

I would support updating the URL

Regards,

Jon


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On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:

Adrian,

In keeping with my suggestion of a list, a simple solution is to refer to this link:
    https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/documents?is_dcn=dsrc&is_group=0reg

That gives all the Regulatory SC documents with "DSRC" in the title. It has 129 hits, out of the 500 or so Regulatory SC documents.

If that's not the right list, then I'd propose inserting a hard list into the document.

Regards,

Roger


Stephens, Adrian P wrote:

Hello all,

 

I believe Paul’s intent is not to highlight any particular document,  but the corpus (nice word,  that) of all documents that comprise the entire discussion of the tiger team,  including contributions,  minutes,  reports etc...

 

The majority of documents in the REG SC area (linked) since 2013 relate to this activity.  I estimate the number to be around 120.

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Roger Marks
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:15 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 letter to FCC regarding 802.11 Radio Regulatory DSRC Tiger Team

 

Paul,

I like the approach. However, the link points to a repository of every 802.11 Regulatory SC document of the past (and of the future too, for that matter). I think it would be better to make a list of all the relevant documents and add that to the statement.

Roger



Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear EC members,

 

I am at the 802 wireless interim session in Vancouver Canada this week and met with a few of the key interested parties to resolve the pending 802-to-FCC communication regarding the completion of the 802.11 RR DSRC TT work.  We put together a short, straightforward statement regarding the activity. It was agreed to by everyone involved as an effective way to communicate the accomplishments of the Tiger Team.  It is located at https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/15/ec-15-0035-00-00EC-letter-to-fcc-regarding-802-11-rr-dsrc-tt.pdf.

 

My plan to close the pending 802/FCC/DSRC-TT action item from the March plenary closing EC meeting is to ask AdrianS and JonR to move/second a motion for EC email ballot that authorizes me to forward the document to the FCC as part of their 13-49 proceeding.

 

Please review the document and let me know if you have suggestions to improve the content--but remember, I want to keep this communication as brief and straightforward as possible.

 

Regards,

 

--Paul 

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