Colleagues, I should just like to point out that in the case of a
non-affiliated, self-sponsoring individual, such as myself, the "Letter of
Endorsement" becomes a nonsense document that serves no purpose. I
believe it would make sense to waive that requirement in that case.
Thanx, Buzz
Please note my contact info:
Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee
IEEE-802 LMSC Meeting Manager
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On
Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:10 PM
To: Pat Thaler; J Lemon; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
And one other thing from my perspective as well, is that the Chair's
Guidelines call out responsibilities for two "member emeritus" positions
(meeting manager, and 802 advisor).
Both of these positions are considered non-voting. And I believe these
positions require the same endorsement / affiliation letters as required
by the voting members.
John
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On
Behalf Of Pat Thaler
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:31 PM
To: J Lemon; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
Another thing that non-voting EC members can do that the general 802
public can't - participate in executive sessions.
In my opinion there is enough that the same endorsement letters should be
required for them as for the voting EC and WG vice-chairs.
As far as working group role, a hibernating WG's chair has in some ways
more sole responsibility than a WG chair because it is up to the
hibernating chair's judgment to maintain the list of WG members/experts
and to decide on when to take action for the WG including requesting
wake-up without the benefit of WG meetings.
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of J Lemon
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:22 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
I can possibly see asking for affiliation statements for that rare
activity, but only when such an activity takes place, not just on the
unlikely possibility that it might some day. And I certainly can't see
asking for endorsement statements at all.
On 7/6/2012 12:40 PM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
John,
As Pat already pointed out -
I agree with John. An additional reason is that non-voting EC members can
also have substantive assignments from the EC chair including sitting on
appeals panels.
While you are one example of a non-voting EC member, there are other
examples of individuals who do partake in activities who need to be
considered.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: J Lemon [mailto:jlemon@meus.us]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 3:35 PM
To: John D'Ambrosia
Cc: James P. K. Gilb; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
Non-voting members can't do anything that the general 802 public can't
do. Non-voting members can speak their mind during plenaries. But so
can anyone else who wants to come up to the mic. Non-voting members
can communicate on this DL. But so can anyone else who asks to join
the list. Are we going to ask for endorsement and affiliation letters
for anyone who participates by speaking during a meeting or sending to
this DL?
On 7/6/2012 11:34 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
John,
There are non-voting members who do participate and can have impacts on
the decision process via their actual participation.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: J Lemon [mailto:jlemon@meus.us]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:30 PM
To: John D'Ambrosia
Cc: James P. K. Gilb; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
I see no reason why I, as a non-voting member of the EC, should need
to show either endorsement or affiliation. I don't partake in any
activities of the EC. So why would I need to prove that some entity
endorses my lack of activities? And since I can't vote, how does my
affiliation have any effect on anything?
John Lemon
Chair of Hibernated 802.17
On 7/6/2012 10:56 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
James,
Speaking as the guy who will have to deal with people next go around -
I would like to see both letters (endorsement / affiliation) called out
in the rules, and believe both voting and non-voting should be required
to provide both.
John
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
All
BTW: The issue here is the endorsement letter. The affiliation
letter is required by ruling of the Chair. I suspect that you both
are referring the the endorsement letter.
We could modify the text in c) (for the affiliation letter) to say
something like:
c) Recognition that the individual is expected to act as both a
professional and as an individual expert and, if voting, in
accordance with the conditions stated in the Voting Guidance
subclause of the IEEE
802 Operations Manual.
That would cover it, I think.
James Gilb
On 07/06/2012 07:41 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:
I agree with John. An additional reason is that non-voting EC members
can also have substantive assignments from the EC chair including
sitting on appeals panels.
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:31 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
James,
I believe all members, including their alternates, of the sponsor
should be required to provide the necessary letters of endorsement.
Non-voting members should also provide the affiliation letter. A
modified version of the affiliation letter, which doesn't include the
statement regarding how to vote, should also be required. IMHO, such
individuals still contribute to a decision process without voting by
their participation in the debate of issues.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:15 PM
To: 802 EC
Subject: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July meeting
All
In the interest of getting the P&P changes onto AudCom's agenda, I
would like to start discussion of the proposed changes by email so
that we can have some level of consensus by the Sunday night rules
meeting that will lead to a successful motion on Monday morning.
Accordingly, I would like to take up discussion of one of the
proposed changes on this email in search of feedback.
Every 2 years, the Recording secretary asks for letters of
endorsement from potential EC members. Currently the rule states
"Any person to be confirmed by the Sponsor shall ...". I had produced
two suggestions:
a) "All members of the Sponsor shall ..."
b) "All voting members of the Sponsor shall ..."
However, I have noticed that this leaves out WG and TAG Vice
Chairs, who are not members of the Sponsor, but can vote (under the
newly modified
rules) and are confirmed by the sponsor.
It turns out that there is no central place that lists all the
persons that are to be confirmed by the Sponsor.
So 2 questions:
1) Should non-voting members of the Sponsor be required to
file letters of affiliation including the statement regarding how to
vote?
2) Should we add a list of the persons to be confirmed by the
Sponsor?
James Gilb
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