Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
David,
The closing EC meeting form 1-6 pm on Friday already gives the WGs (that
choose to use it) AM1 and AM2 on Friday.
802.22 meets during those Friday am slots.
Carl
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> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of David_Law@3com.com
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> What is proposed here would give the WGs approximately 1.5
> hours extra
> daytime meeting time Monday - allowing the WG to start at
> 10:30AM - and
> two extra evenings - eliminate Tuesday tutorial and the
> Wednesday social -
> which is a start.
>
> I however still think we should consider [1] moving the Opening EC to
> Sunday evening to allow a full day of WG meetings Monday
> and/or [2] moving
> the closing EC to allow a half day of WG meetings Friday
> morning. Allowing
> WGs to meet Friday morning would also make Thursday evening
> available for
> WG meetings - and I would suggest that might be a better
> approach rather
> than eliminating the Tuesday tutorial or the social.
>
> I do realize that what I suggest places a greater burden on all-ready
> overworked EC members, but I believe we should do everything
> possible to
> allow the WGs the maximum time to do work.
>
> Best regards,
> David
>
>
>
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> wrote on 18/10/2008 13:56:42:
>
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> > STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:01 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I am NOT in favor of the following,
> >
> > 1. Moving Monday EC meeting to Sunday
> > 2. Moving Friday meeting to Thursday night
> >
> > However, I agree with some other ideas,
> >
> > 1. Eliminate the 802 plenary and shorten the Monday EC meeting.
> > Get everything done by 10 AM so the WG's can start by 10:30 AM.
> >
> > 2. Eliminate the social.
> >
> > 3. Go from one night for Tutorials. Alternatively, make a
> > deadline of 35 days before the meeting to commit to tutorials. That
> > way if we only have one night worth of tutorials we can give Tuesday
> > to the WGs. They would know 35 days in advance and could plan
> > accordingly. They could get their agendas out 30 days in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steve
> >
> >
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> > STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of J Lemon
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:10 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> >
> > Tony,
> >
> > As I mentioned when I brought up the general topic some months back:
> >
> > * I believe that Monday mornings are not being used very
> > effectively. I think we could probably shorten the EC opening
> > meeting, and we could definitely drop the 802 plenary meeting
> > altogether.
> > * We already have too little time on Fridays.
> Decreasing our time,
> > and moving it into the sleeping time of some members
> would make
> > the problem worse than it already is. I would rather
> have the EC
> > meetings start Monday morning, and hopefully end
> early afternoon.
> > * I see the cost/benefit ratio of the Wednesday socials to be
> > heavily skewed towards the costs exceeding the
> benefits. I would
> > be quite happy to see this disappear.
> > * I tend to lose two weekends for most 802 plenaries. If it were
> > possibly to lose only one weekend, I would be much
> happier. So, I
> > would be fine with moving the Monday EC meeting to Sundays,
> > leaving all of Monday for WG meetings, and running
> the Friday EC
> > meeting from 08:00 or 09:00 until around 15:00.
> >
> >
> > jl
> >
> > On 10/16/2008 1:47 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > > Colleauges -
> > >
> > > Given the not inconsiderable workload that some working groups are
> > attempting to tackle, I
> > > feel it is worth re-visiting once again the question of how we
> > organize our Plenaries to
> > > maximize the time available for useful technical work (which I
> > believe, when all is said
> > > and done, is why we have these meetings in the first place). At
> > present, with the existing
> > > meeting format, I get 2 ½ clear days of Task Group meetings; that
> > is rather less than we
> > > need for effective progress. I am reluctant to move the closing
> > 802.1 plenary to Friday
> > > morning (as some WGs have done) with the present format, because
> > firstly I doubt we would
> > > get the right level of attendance to conduct effective business,
> > given that there would
> > > not be technical meetings that day, and secondly it would leave me
> > with no time for
> > > preparation for the closing EC meeting.
> > >
> > > So how can this be fixed?
> > >
> > > Firstly, Monday mornings at Plenary sessions are largely a no-op
> > in my view. I don't think
> > > that the format of the Monday morning plenary meeting is useful to
> > the majority of
> > > attendees, and if it didn't happen, I don't believe there are many
> > attendees that would
> > > miss it at all. If it wasn't there, we could start our WG opening
> > plenaries before lunch
> > > and in my case, we could be off and running with Task Group
> > meetings by early-mid
> > > afternoon.
> > >
> > > Secondly, we could make the radical move to take the opening EC
> > meeting out of the
> > > "working week" altogether, by holding it on the Sunday evening. We
> > already have a Sunday
> > > PM rules meeting; maybe putting the two together on the Sunday
> > evening would help us to
> > > crispen up both activities. Again, this would help free up Monday
> > time for WG activity.
> > >
> > > Thirdly, although for some EC members, holding the closing EC on
> > Friday afternoon helps
> > > with their travel plans, for others of us it creates a
> double whammy:
> > >
> > > 1) We have to stay over until Saturday anyway, because even a
> > 6PM close is too late
> > > to get away on the Friday evening; and
> > > 2) The fact that the closing meeting is in the afternoon makes
> > it difficult to make
> > > sensible use of Friday morning (see opening para - we need some
> > time to prepare stuff for
> > > the EC meeting following our closing WG Plenaries, and holding a
> > short Plenary on Friday
> > > morning is a guarantee of low attendance).
> > >
> > > So I would advocate moving the EC meeting to the 7pm-midnight slot
> > on Friday evening,
> > > freeing up most of Friday for WG business - finishing the WG
> > closing plenary at (say) 3pm
> > > would still allow us to get straight for the EC meeting, but would
> > also give us an extra
> > > morning or part-morning for task group work.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
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