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Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 - Balloting Groups



Geoff:
 
Your language is very specific but procedurally what I thought my language also required.  I thought my language refered to EC PAR approval, which can only be done per Clause 17 after WG review at a plenary.  Obviously you interpreted my proposed language as not referring to PAR approval, but rather NesCom submittal approval.  I would accept your words, but if ambiguous, would prefer other words removing the ambiguity that the PAR itself is the item of approval.
 
If it is PAR approval that is required, I think we are required to follow the process of Clause 17 whether the PAR is sponsor-shopped from the CAG or was generated from within LMSC.  If LMSC is the sponsor, then it is an 802 PAR and it must follow the process for PARs.  (I believe within the P&P Project 802 and LMSC are used interchangably.)
 
Tony, though you may have inferred it already, my vote would flip to approve if the P&P change were essentially as I propose/intended.
 
--Bob Grow


From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:05 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 - Balloting Groups

Colleagues-

Though I do not have a vote I would concur with the addition of text as asked for by Bob Grow. I would further ask that the text be beefed up from:
3.  LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  No LMSC PAR may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting unless approved in advance by the EC.

To:
3.  LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  No LMSC PAR may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting unless approved in advance by a specific vote of the EC taken in session at an 802 plenary.

Rationale:
I think that putting a PAR forward on other than an individual basis is a sufficiently serious matter that it should not be done by a mail ballot of the EC. It should only happen after the matter has been thoroughly vetted in the several Working Groups at an 802 plenary with the resulting vote taking place at the closing EC meeting. (I trust the process enough to believe that if it came up on Monday that it would get tabled until Friday.)

Thank you for your consideration.

Geoff


At 01:37 PM 4/13/2005 -0600, Pat Thaler wrote:
I can approve with the changes Bob suggests.

Otherwise I would have to disapprove.

The IEEE-SA rules and proceedures for ballot group formation have shifted over time. I wouldn't want to have to track future changes in our rules. We should therefore include their process by reference rather than attempting to describe it.

Regards,
Pat

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From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Grow, Bob
Sent: Wednesday, 06 April, 2005 10:24 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5
- Balloting Groups


In hindsight, I hit send too quickly.  I probably deleted some
worthwhile information from 7.5 while focusing too much on the
individual balloting issue.  A complete 7.5 would read (with a slight
modification to my previous recommended text):

7.5  Balloting Group for Sponsor balots
All members of the Sponsor Balloting Groups shall meet the requirements
of IEEE-SA for participation.  Any inclusion of invited experts shall be
approved by the EC in addition to any approvals required by IEEE-SA.
The type of balloting of the invitation to Sponsor Ballot shall be
consistent with the approved PAR for the project.

My recommended changes to 17 remains the same, inserting a numbered item
3:

3.  LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  No LMSC PAR may be
submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting
unless approved in advance by the EC.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:48 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 -
Balloting Groups

Tentative tally:

   Vote categories:        DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
   -------------------------------------------------
   01 Mat Sherman                 DNV
   02 Pat Thaler                  DNV
   03 Buzz Rigsbee                DNV
   04 Bob O'Hara                  DNV
   05 John Hawkins                DNV
   06 Tony Jeffree                        APP
   07 Bob Grow                    DNV
   08 Stuart Kerry                DNV
   09 Bob Heile                   DNV
   10 Roger Marks                 DNV
   11 Mike Takefman               DNV
   12 Mike Lynch                  DNV
   13 Steve Shellhammer           DNV
   14 Jerry Upton                 DNV
   15 Ajay Rajkumar               DNV
   16 Carl Stevenson              DNV
   17 Paul Nikolich         DIS
                           ---++++---+++++---++++---
   TOTALS                  DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
   -16-             total: -01-   -15-    -01-   -00-


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As per the motion passed in the closing EC meeting last Friday, find
attached the P&P revision ballot for the existing text of Clause 7.5 to
clarify the membership requirements for Sponsor balloting groups.

This ballot closes on 21st April 2005.


Regards,
Tony

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Regards,
Tony

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