Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ EC_Membership_&_Meetings
Actually, there is a further problem with 7.1.2.1. The opening sentence
states:
"The chair may appoint one person with ...etc."
whereas bullet 3 (2 in Geoff's version) states:
"3. - a person must be
nominated and elected by the EC to fill the position"
These are contradictory. I believe the bullet 3 version is what we agreed
to do when this was discussed in November. Hence the first sentence
should read:
"The EC may elect a person with appropriate qualifications to this
EC position."
(And by the way, are we the EC this week, or the SEC? Just
curious...)
Regards,
Tony
At 18:40 04/01/2005, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Mat-
My "non-voting" vote on "LMSC P&P Revision Ballot
+++ EC_Membership_&_Meetings"
DISAPPROVE, my vote will change to approve upon satisfactory resolution
of the issues mentioned below.
CURRENT TEXT:
7.1.2.1 Member Emeritus
The chair may appoint one person with appropriate qualifications to this
non-voting EC position. The position may also be left vacant.
Confirmation and reconfirmation for this position are that same as for
other appointed positions.
Qualifications for the position are:
1. based on long years
of prior distinguished service on EC
2. - non voting
participant
3. - a person must be
nominated and elected by the EC to fill the position
4. - limited to a
single position
5. - position expires
at the next regular EC election
SHOULD BE:
7.1.2.1 Member Emeritus
The chair may appoint a person with appropriate qualifications to this EC
position. The position may also be left vacant. Confirmation
and reconfirmation for this position are that same as for other appointed
positions.
Qualifications for the position are at the discretion of the chair and
the EC and are to be based on long years of prior distinguished service
on EC
Features of this position are:
1. - non voting
participant of the EC
2. - a person must be
nominated and elected by the EC to fill the position
3. - limited to a
single position
4. - position expires
at the next regular EC election
RATIONALE
Current text has redundancies and most of the items enumerated in the
qualifications are, in fact, not qualifications, but rather features of
the job.
CURRENT TEXT
7.1.7.1 Succession in case of failed elections or
confirmations
...until such time as election concerns are addressed.
SHOULD BE
7.1.7.1 Succession in case of failed elections or
confirmations
...until such time as election concerns are addressed and
resolved.
RATIONALE
Just addressing the issue does not mean that the issue is resolved, it
only means that it has been confronted.
7.1.3 Reaffirmation
COMMENT ON CURRENT TEXT
It is not clear to me that reaffirmation by the membership is always the
best method. This has been particularly true in the past with TAGs
where the membership has fallen to a very small number and the activity
level has dropped. It is not clear to me prescisely what the appropriate
solution is. I offer the following for your consideration: "For the
purposes of reaffirmation of TAG Chairs, each voting member of the EC
shall (or even "may"*) be considered to be a voting member each
TAG."
* the shall vs. may is my attempt to keep the full membership of the EC
out of the calculation of the denominator. Other proposed text is
welcome.
7.1.5.2 Meetings by Teleconference
OPPOSITION
I am opposed to this provision as it effectively constitutes a mechanism
for closed meetings. There is no provision requiring that the notice be
made to the full constituency of 802. Therefore any such meeting is
effectively a secret meeting with respect to the body of 802.
I look forward to our discussions to satisfactorily resolve all of these
issues.
With best regards and sincerest wishes for a Happy new Year,
Geoff
At 09:19 AM 1/1/2005 -0500, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
All,
It s a new year so in case your minds have been wiped clean from last
year I am forwarding a copy of this ballot for your reference!
Enjoy,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
From:
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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 12:17 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ EC_Membership_&_Meetings
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on EC Membership and Meetings. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot document.
Ballot Duration: 12/5/2004 - 1/5/2004 @ 11:59 PM EST
WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your groups, and invite them to comment through you.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
<<802.0-EC_Membership_&_Meetings-P&P_Revision_ballot.doc>>
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Regards,
Tony
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