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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Friday,
November 21, 2003 12:08 PM
To: Paul Nikolich
Cc: IEEE802
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC
Motion+++ P802.3ah conditional approval
Colleagues-
Please read Procedure 10 carefully BEFORE you vote.
Procedure 10 was specifically put in place to bring consistency to the
conditional approval process.
My vote is DISAPPROVE
My primary rationale:
The requirements of Procedure 10 have NOT been met.
Specifically (extracted verbatim from procedure 10):
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Motions requesting conditional approval to forward
where the prior ballot has closed shall be accompanied by:
• Date the ballot closed [GOT: 2.1 closed 3-Nov
per slide 2]
• Vote tally including Approve, Disapprove and
Abstain votes
[GOT:
Buried in table slide 2, 92/18/6
• Comments that support the remaining disapprove
votes and Working Group responses.
[GOT:
Unsatisfied requirement, further comments below.]
• Schedule for confirmation ballot and
resolution
[GOT:
Unsatisfied requirement, further comments below.]
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RE: Remaining Disapproves:
802.3 has not provided a concise summary of the "remaining disapprove
votes and Working Group responses" to you in this motion package per the
"shall be accompanied by" requirement. Rather they have merely
provided a pointer to:
"Complete comment databases from these two
ballots are available at: http://www.ieee802.org/3/efm/public/comments/."
This does not meet the requirement
This has the effect of masking the extent to which consensus has or has not
been met.
The fact that there are (slide 3) "65 unresolved Technical Required
(negative) comments" really means that there are too many comments to be
reviewed during an EC motion. ["Seeking conditional approval is only
appropriate when ballot resolution efforts have been substantially
completed..."] This issue has been ducked by not meeting the requirement
and exposing the dissenting votes. It is my belief that this project, at this
point in the process, is an inappropriate stretch of the intention of Procedure
10.
RE: Schedule for confirmation ballot:
I don't understand why the required specifics have not been provided instead of
the generalities provided below. The schedule for recirc is known as the ballot
has already been opened. There seems to me no meeting scheduled for resolution
of comments. I assert that this is a requirement of this procedure.
Sincerely,
Geoff
At 11:56 AM 11/21/2003 -0500, Paul Nikolich wrote:
Dear SEC members,
This is a 10 day SEC email ballot to make a determination by EC motion to
conditionally approve P802.3ah to begin Sponsor Ballot.
Motion
The LMSC executive committee grants
conditional approval per Procedure 10, for P802.3ah sponsor ballot pending
successful completion of the working group ballot process.
Moved
by Bob Grow
Seconded by Tony Jeffree
The email ballot opens on Friday Nov 21 NOON EST and
Monday Dec 1 NOON EST.
Please direct your responses to the EC reflector with a CC directly to me
(p.nikolich@ieee.org).
Regards,
- Paul Nikolich
Chairman, IEEE 802 LMSC
Colleagues:
During
the closing EC meeting, consideration of conditional approval for P802.3ah
progressing to sponsor ballot was deferred for email consideration.
- The working group vote for conditional approval passed
Y: 57, N: 2, A: 17 as shown in the attachment.
- This EC vote is being conducted in parallel with the
second working group recirculation ballot. This timing will allow a
sponsor ballot to be conducted prior to the Vancouver
interim meeting if the recirculation ballot results satisfy Procedure 10
of the LMSC P&P. There is insufficient time for conduct of a
working group ballot, EC ballot and sponsor ballot in serial prior to the Vancouver
meeting.
- If the requirements of Procedure 10 are met, the
sponsor ballot will open very quickly after close of the working group
recirculation.
- The initial P802.3ah/D2.0 working group ballot closed 3 Sep 2003 and
the first WG recirculation ballot on P802.3ah/D2.1 closed 3 Nov 2003.
Complete comment databases from these two ballots are available at: http://www.ieee802.org/3/efm/public/comments/.
- The ballot results are in the attached report.
- Unresolved (unsatisfied) negative comments from D2.0
were included in the D2.1 recirculation.
- Unresolved (unsatisfied) negative comments from both
D2.1 and D2.0 are included in the D2.2 recirculation.
- If you want access to the drafts, please contact Howard
or me for the username and password.
Motion
The
LMSC executive committee grants conditional approval per Procedure 10, for
P802.3ah sponsor ballot pending successful completion of the working group
ballot process.