Re: [802SEC] +++EC Motion+++ P802.3ah conditional approval
Colleagues-
Please read Procedure 10 carefully BEFORE you vote.
Procedure 10 was specifically put in place to bring consistency to the
conditional approval process.
My vote is DISAPPROVE
My primary rationale:
The requirements of Procedure 10 have NOT been met.
Specifically (extracted verbatim from procedure 10):
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- Motions requesting conditional approval to forward where the prior
ballot has closed shall be accompanied by:
- • Date the ballot closed [GOT: 2.1 closed 3-Nov per slide 2]
- • Vote tally including Approve, Disapprove and Abstain votes
- [GOT:
Buried in table slide 2, 92/18/6
- • Comments that support the remaining disapprove votes and Working
Group responses.
- [GOT:
Unsatisfied requirement, further comments below.]
- • Schedule for confirmation ballot and resolution
- [GOT:
Unsatisfied requirement, further comments below.]
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RE: Remaining Disapproves:
802.3 has not provided a concise summary of the "remaining
disapprove votes and Working Group responses" to you in this motion
package per the "shall be accompanied by" requirement. Rather
they have merely provided a pointer to:
- "Complete comment databases from these two ballots are available
at: http://www.ieee802.org/3/efm/public/comments/."
This does not meet the requirement
This has the effect of masking the extent to which consensus has or has
not been met.
The fact that there are (slide 3) "65 unresolved Technical Required
(negative) comments" really means that there are too many comments
to be reviewed during an EC motion. ["Seeking conditional approval
is only appropriate when ballot resolution efforts have been
substantially completed..."] This issue has been ducked by not
meeting the requirement and exposing the dissenting votes. It is my
belief that this project, at this point in the process, is an
inappropriate stretch of the intention of Procedure 10.
RE: Schedule for confirmation ballot:
I don't understand why the required specifics have not been provided
instead of the generalities provided below. The schedule for recirc is
known as the ballot has already been opened. There seems to me no meeting
scheduled for resolution of comments. I assert that this is a requirement
of this procedure.
Sincerely,
Geoff
At 11:56 AM 11/21/2003 -0500, Paul Nikolich wrote:
Dear SEC
members,
This is a 10 day SEC email ballot to make a determination by EC motion to
conditionally approve P802.3ah to begin Sponsor Ballot.
Motion
The LMSC executive committee grants conditional approval per Procedure
10, for P802.3ah sponsor ballot pending successful completion of the
working group ballot process.
Moved by Bob Grow
Seconded by Tony Jeffree
The email ballot opens on Friday Nov 21 NOON EST and Monday Dec 1 NOON
EST.
Please direct your responses to the EC reflector with a CC directly to
me
(p.nikolich@ieee.org).
Regards,
- Paul Nikolich
Chairman, IEEE 802 LMSC
Colleagues:
During the closing EC meeting, consideration of
conditional approval for P802.3ah progressing to sponsor ballot was
deferred for email consideration.
- The working group vote for conditional approval passed Y: 57, N: 2,
A: 17 as shown in the attachment.
This EC vote is being conducted in parallel with the second working
group recirculation ballot. This timing will allow a sponsor ballot
to be conducted prior to the Vancouver interim meeting if the
recirculation ballot results satisfy Procedure 10 of the LMSC
P&P. There is insufficient time for conduct of a working group
ballot, EC ballot and sponsor ballot in serial prior to the Vancouver
meeting.
If the requirements of Procedure 10 are met, the sponsor ballot will
open very quickly after close of the working group recirculation.
The initial P802.3ah/D2.0 working group ballot closed 3 Sep 2003 and
the first WG recirculation ballot on P802.3ah/D2.1 closed 3 Nov
2003. Complete comment databases from these two ballots are
available at:
http://www.ieee802.org/3/efm/public/comments/.
The ballot results are in the attached report.
Unresolved (unsatisfied) negative comments from D2.0 were included in the D2.1 recirculation.
Unresolved (unsatisfied) negative comments from both D2.1 and D2.0 are included in the D2.2 recirculation.
If you want access to the drafts, please contact Howard or me for the username and password.
Motion
The LMSC executive committee grants conditional approval per Procedure 10, for P802.3ah sponsor ballot pending successful completion of the working group ballot process.