I vote APPROVE, AS IS.
Roger – I would oppose at least 2 of your suggested changes – because they change the meaning, making the letter itself incorrect.
Specifically, I would not change the statement about errors,
For example, There are conclusory statements in the document that are errors, not modeling assumptions. There are also simple errors, such as
50GBASE-T. These are errors, not ‘questionable modeling assumptions’.
Also, I would also not change the statement about 50GBASE-T – it doesn’t exist and might be claimed to be a typo, which is an error in itself, not a ‘modeling assumption’. However, based on my interaction with the group, I think this is
a result of the casual process they followed, and symptomatic of assumptions they make in what is IN 802.3 (and possibly other 802 standards). Instead of seeing the breadth of the 160+ clauses of 802.3, they made sweeping assumption, and ‘assumed’ what was
in 802.3. That there was a ‘BASE-T’ for 50G is likely one of them. There are probably more buried assumptions that if we spent a lot of time in the document we would find. This one was easy, because I’ve spent a lot of time in BASE-T technology – this isn’t
about a non-standardized technology – it is about an error. (there are 2.5G, 5G, 10G, 25G, and 40GBASE-T, but not 50… I was the editor for 4 of those, and a key contributor for all 5)
The other changes, are editorial, I will leave them to David, but based on my interaction with this group, I do believe there is benefit in being direct.
-george
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David,
I vote Approve, with the following comments:
• Dear Mr Zhang and members of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4,
• notes numerous errors questionable modeling assumptions
• IEEE 802.3 Ethernet PHYs that don’t exist designations, such as 50GBASE-T, that are unspecified in the standard.
• the marketplace, and we are therefore
• participants in ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4 that are interested in advancing MCS work in IEEE 802.3 Ethernet standards that IEEE 802.3 standards activities are open to all individuals
On Sep 14, 2023, 6:41 PM -0600, Law, David <dlaw@hpe.com>, wrote:
Dear LMSC members,
The 'Process: how does a WG send a liaison to SC6?' on slide 4 of 'IEEE 802 Process for Interactions with ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6 & 7' <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/15/11-15-1287-02-0jtc-ieee-802-process-for-interactions-with-iso-iec-jtc-1-sc-6-7.pptx>
says 'The WG and then the IEEE 802 EC must approve liaisons to SC6'.
Based on this, and further to my email on Tuesday 12 September 2023 <https://ieee802.org/secmail/msg28685.html>, the IEEE 802.3 Working Group approved the draft liaison letter from IEEE 802.3 to ISO/IEC
JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4 available at <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/23/ec-23-0165-01-00EC-ieee-802-3-liaison-letter-to-iso-iec-jtc-1-sc-6-ag-4.pdf>
at its interim meeting today, Thursday 14 September 2023.
As a result, I would like to proceed to an IEEE 802 LMSC electronic ballot. Paul has delegated the conduct of the IEEE 802 EC electronic ballot on the following motion to me. To ensure I can send this letter to ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4 as soon as possible before
their 13 October 2023 meeting, I'm announcing the possibility of an 'early close' to this ballot (see below).
Best regards,
David
Motion
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Approve <https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/23/ec-23-0165-01-00EC-ieee-802-3-liaison-letter-to-iso-iec-jtc-1-sc-6-ag-4.pdf> as a
communication from IEEE 802.3 to ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4, granting the IEEE 802.3 Working Group chair (or his delegate) editorial license.
This approval is under LMSC OM "Procedure for coordination with other standards bodies".
Move: David Law
Second: George Zimmerman
Start of ballot: Thursday 15 September 2023
Close of ballot: Friday 29 September 2023 AoE (23:59 UTC-12)
IEEE 802.3 Working Group vote: Y:66 N:0 A:0
Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that to ensure I can send this letter to ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 6/AG 4 as soon as possible before their 13 October 2023
meeting, this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter. Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring approval
by a majority vote' item (g), 'Other motions brought to the floor by members (when deemed in order by the Standards Committee Chair)' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.
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