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Re: [802SEC] [UPDATED] ++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submission for China MIIT’s consultation "Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)"

Hello Ben and Dries,

In revision 9, the sentence per George's review is editorially revised as follows:
Many countries that previously did not have UWB regulations are now introducing them, while other regulatory bodies such as CEPT have added capabilities in response to industry demand, e.g., by introducing fixed outdoor transmissions, which were previously not permitted in Europe, and allowing 10 dBm additional power for indoor operation.

If you have an exact text change for me to consider by the end of this week (while we are still on the email ballot), it would be great!

Thanks and Regards,
Edward

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:05 AM Benjamin Rolfe <ben@blindcreek.com> wrote:
To George's comment, it looks better to me with that editorial fix, and we could clear up the power by being explicit: the new rule allows for up to -31.3 dBm PSD in some indoor applications while retaining the -41.3 dBm PSD limit otherwise.  So instead of "10 dB additional power" we could say "with a limit of -31.3 dBm PSD".  I've copied Dries to double check me on as he was involved with this change in Europe. 
Thanks George.
Ben
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] [UPDATED] ++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submission for China MIIT’s consultation "Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)"
 
Edward - I vote approve and have the following comment, which I consider editorial.


I think what you mean at the top of (content, labeled) page 2 might be better stated.  It is confusing as is.  I would suggest "e.g., by introducing fixed outdoor transmissions, which were previously not permitted in Europe, and by allowing 10 dB additional power for indoor operation."  - if is that the meaning.

 

Again, I consider that editorial and within your privilege.  I am not certain whether you were wishing to convey that europe changed their permissions on outdoor, and that needs to be clear one way or the other.  Note that "an extra power of 10 dB" doesn't make technical sense, since dB is a relative unit, and not a unit of power.  rephrasing it as I did makes it relative... Maybe you meant 10 dBm though?


George Zimmerman, Ph.D.
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CME Consulting, Inc.
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On Jan 27, 2023, at 7:46 AM, Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you, John!

Voter Role Name NV APP DIS ABS DNV
CH Paul Nikolich         DNV
VC James PK Gilb         DNV
VC Roger Marks   APP    
TR George Zimmerman         DNV
RS John D'Ambrosia   APP    
ES Jon W Rosdahl         DNV
01 Glenn Parsons         DNV
03 David Law   APP      
11 Dorothy Stanley   APP      
15 Clint Powell   APP      
16 Roger Marks NV        
18 Edward Au   APP      
19 Steve Shellhammer         DNV
21 Subir Das NV        
22 Apurva Mody NV        
24 Tim Godfrey         DNV
ME Geoffrey Thompson NV        
ME Clint Chaplin NV        
Totals 18 5 6 0 0 7

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 10:23 AM <jdambrosia@gmail.com> wrote:

Edward

Approve

 

John

 

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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 9:01 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] [UPDATED] ++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submission for China MIIT’s consultation "Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)"

 

Thank you, David and Clint!

 

Voter Role

Name

NV

APP

DIS

ABS

DNV

CH

Paul Nikolich

 

 

 

 

DNV

VC

James PK Gilb

 

 

 

 

DNV

VC

Roger Marks

 

APP

 

 

TR

George Zimmerman

 

 

 

 

DNV

RS

John D'Ambrosia

 

 

 

DNV

ES

Jon W Rosdahl

 

 

 

 

DNV

01

Glenn Parsons

 

 

 

 

DNV

03

David Law

 

APP

 

 

 

11

Dorothy Stanley

 

APP

 

 

 

15

Clint Powell

 

APP

 

 

 

16

Roger Marks

NV

 

 

 

 

18

Edward Au

 

APP

 

 

 

19

Steve Shellhammer

 

 

 

 

DNV

21

Subir Das

NV

 

 

 

 

22

Apurva Mody

NV

 

 

 

 

24

Tim Godfrey

 

 

 

 

DNV

ME

Geoffrey Thompson

NV

 

 

 

 

ME

Clint Chaplin

NV

 

 

 

 

Totals

18

5

5

0

0

8

 

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 6:15 AM Law, David <dlaw@hpe.com> wrote:

Hi Edward,

I vote approve.

Best regards,
  David

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Sent: 26 January 2023 15:45
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] [UPDATED] ++10-day EC Motion+++ Approval of submission for China MIIT’s consultation "Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)"

[UPDATED - fix the typo of the motion text per Roger's comment]

Dear EC members,

With this email I would like to announce the start of a LMSC (EC) ballot on a comment submission to China MIIT’s consultation “Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)”.

Paul has delegated to me to conduct a LMSC (EC) 10-day electronic ballot on the motion below to approve the comments to the China MIIT.  This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements.  With that we would like to see everyone respond.
• Move to approve document https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/23/18-23-0014-08-0000-proposed-response-to-miit-of-china-consultation-on-uwb.pdf for submission to the China MIIT’s consultation before the contribution deadline, with editorial license granted to the 802.18 chair.
o Approved in the RR-TAG: _12_ / _0_ / _6_ (The Chair did not vote)
Mover:     Edward Au
Seconder:  Clint Powell

Start of ballot: 25 January 2023
Close of ballot: 3 February 2023

Reference document:  https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_42a55669ef094373a01a838e235088c1.html

Regards,
Edward
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 4:04 PM Roger Marks <mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Approve.

Note: The message erroneously says that it regards "the motion below to approve the comments to the ITU-R Working Party 5A”.

Cheers,

Roger
On Jan 25, 2023, 1:06 PM -0700, Edward Au <mailto:edward.ks.au@gmail.com>, wrote:

Dear EC members,

With this email I would like to announce the start of a LMSC (EC) ballot on a comment submission to China MIIT’s consultation “Ultra Wideband (UWB) Equipment Radio Management Regulations (Draft for Comments)”.

Paul has delegated to me to conduct a LMSC (EC) 10-day electronic ballot on the motion below to approve the comments to the ITU-R Working Party 5A.  This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements.  With that we would like to see everyone respond.
•  Move to approve document https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/23/18-23-0014-08-0000-proposed-response-to-miit-of-china-consultation-on-uwb.pdf for submission to the China MIIT’s consultation before the contribution deadline, with editorial license granted to the 802.18 chair.
o   Approved in the RR-TAG: _12_ / _0_ / _6_ (The Chair did not vote)

Mover:     Edward Au
Seconder:  Clint Powell

Start of ballot: 25 January 2023
Close of ballot: 3 February 2023

Reference document:  https://www.miit.gov.cn/gzcy/yjzj/art/2023/art_42a55669ef094373a01a838e235088c1.html

Regards,
Edward
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