| Thread Links | Date Links | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thread Prev | Thread Next | Thread Index | Date Prev | Date Next | Date Index |
|
I will agree with most of that, but I think we have learned some useful things from the last year and a half.
There are things we can do very effectively with virtual meetings. Many things don't work as well, some things can work and we can improve the dynamics of our process to make it more efficient - and by that I mean get some things done faster with the same
or improved quality.
Also echo the experience of others that 2020/2021 may have shown greater numbers, but not greater participation or productivity. To put it bluntly, enthusiasm is down. Enthusiasm is built in person, and we create momentum
in the room that carries over and enables work between meetings.
I strongly agree with the observation that face to face meetings provide much greater opportunity via the various dimensions Geoff enumerates. We can never provide equal opportunity to remote attendees outside the meeting room. Even if we make the
in-room participation limited somehow to be no better than remote, all that other stuff makes "being there" far more valuable for many of the things we need to do to produce useful, relevant standards. Geoff explains better than I did what I meant when I
said "equal" is not realistic or desirable. We should strive for as good as we can get for all attendees. To me that means the best virtual experience we can afford without giving up anything for those "being there". Long or short term. An opportunity to
participate "as best you can" is better than not at all IMO.
To clarify and tack on to what Steve said, I did not mean to endorse the idea we intentionally create "classes of attendees". I meant to agree that there are natural limitations that an attendee accepts when the best they can do is not the ideal. Someone
without a screen is limited, but in some meetings that won't mean can't contribute or take part in discussion - it depends on the meeting size, content, and other variables. I've run some meetings where random access (with listen before talk) works OK (and
others where it doesn't). Thus the best policy is NOT impose restrictions by rule but leave it to the chair to do what works. The chair can make dynamic adaptations as channel conditions change
🙂.
Hope that helps.
Ben
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org> on behalf of Geoff Thompson <thompson@IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 3:14 PM To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Mixed Mode Meeting -- Guiding Principles Discussion Folks-
While I might have worded my sentiments differently, I fully agree with Chad.
The legacy quality of our meetings (and thus of our products) is highly dependent on the full 3 dimensional bandwidth (time > 2hours, face2face vs network, mtg room+hallway+bar+meals vs network+phone+e-mail) of Face 2 Face meetings.
We have all experienced this and I think all agree with it.
(The SA does. That's why they have been sending staff to our meetings for years)
We have done "remote participation" over the last 18 months because it was better than nothing.
The trick over the "short term" (i.e. that period in time when we have our 1st F2F mtg and when travel is "as easy" as it was before) is how do we get the value from and to our participants who can't yet travel because of the lingering effects
of Covid.
The trick over the "long term" (i.e. when travel is "as easy" as it was before) is how do get back to normal or better based on what we have learned during the "days of remote."
I'm not sure that we have learned anything that is beneficial during the "days of remote" other than (a) we get increased attendance with remote access and (b) people prefer paying less money with remote access.
Just my 2 cents.
Geoff Thompson
GraCaSI S.A./Independent
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021, 02:00:56 PM PDT, Chad Jones (cmjones) <00000b60b3f54e8d-dmarc-request@ieee.org> wrote:
I disagree with Steve. I don’t want remote attendees expecting an identical experience to an in-person meeting. We all know there are limitations based on the last 18 months. I don’t want this falling on the chair to ensure parity for remote versus local attendees – and we all know there are people that will complain that they were disenfranchised when they chose to not attend in person. I like dividing into classes to correctly set expectations.
Cheers,
Chad Jones Technical Leader, Cisco Systems Chair, IEEE P802.3da Task Force Principal, NFPA 70 CMP3
From:
***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org> on behalf of Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@QTI.QUALCOMM.COM>
All,
I do not see why whether the participant cannot attend in person or chooses not to attend in person will affect the person’s level of participation.
It seems to me the level of participation for a remote participant depends on whether the participate can join the Meeting Tool (e.g. WebEx) or is just on Audio.
If the person can join the Meeting Tool, then the participant can see and hear the presentation, and can ask questions and can give a presentation.
I cannot support dividing remote participants into classes based on why they are not attending in person.
I am fine with requiring a computer to join the Meeting Tool and if the participate only has an Audio connection (which is rare) they must live with the fact they are not on the Meeting Tool.
Regards, Steve
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
On Behalf Of Beth Kochuparambil (edonnay)
WARNING: This email originated from outside of Qualcomm. Please be wary of any links or attachments, and do not enable macros. Hello Team – Thanks for a good discussion today!
The proposed Guiding Principle as in the document: When remote participation is the only means of participating for a significant portion of the attendees, then we should strive to provide an equivalent experience for in person and remote participants. If remote participation is optional, the remote participant may not have an equivalent experience to an in person participant.
A suggested modification and added principles for discussion:
In our discussions, the questions were asked, how do we determine travel restrictions of individuals. I could see using something such as https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/world.php (or likewise, if announced) to verify information entered at the time of registration. As long as a centralized site is used for the meeting, other sites could also be used/announced by the EC. This is just a suggestion.
~Beth
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
Dear All,
The updated best practices document based on the 16:00-17:00 ET 17 August 2021 meeting is now available at https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/21/ec-21-0157-01-00EC-best-practices-for-mixed-mode-ieee-802-lmsc-sessions.docx.
I tried to embed the meeting notes as comments in the document, hopefully you will be able to follow them.
The next meeting for further refinement of the Mixed Mode Session Best Practices draft is scheduled for 16:00-17:00 ET Tuesday 24 August 2021. Your homework assignment prior to that meeting is to draft and share what you consider the core principles for Mixed Mode Sessions should be via this 802 EC reflector. Non-real time exchange and consensus building via the reflector will make next week's call more productive.
Thank you for your time today,
--Paul To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 To unsubscribe from the STDS-802-SEC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=STDS-802-SEC&A=1 |