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G’day George I agree with all that. The point of my
thought experiments was not the actual numbers (they are incomplete and almost certainly incorrect). It was more about exploring the question of who should pay any marginal costs? Should they be shared equally between F2F and remote attendees or should
they be allocated to those who cause them (noting that who causes them depends on one’s perspective)? As I said, I am not advocating anything … Andrew From: George Zimmerman <george@cmephyconsulting.com>
I’ve been through the same thought experiment and there are more complexities if you consider meetings for which there are already plans in place. In the first case, The true cost of the meeting also includes the hotel rooms. in the first
case you have a negotiated meeting which now is paying penalties on rooms that the remote attendees are not occupying. Those add to the cost for the remote attendees, greater than the meeting fee itself, since that just covered basic meeting infrastructure.
In the second case, unless you are in a condition where the majority of attendees are in the unplanned f2f splinter group, you have a significantly smaller group. Easier to accommodate. More like an 802.3 interim.
That group has a lower meeting fee (often none) and doesn’t kill the hotel infrastructure either. Hence it is less expensive than today ( but there is no free lunch, the attendees have to pay hotel rooms, travel, and meals) George Zimmerman, Ph.D. President & Principal CME Consulting, Inc. Experts in Advanced PHYsical Communications 310-920-3860
G’day George Your notes on financial considerations inspired me to run a couple of thought experiments. Assumptions
Thought experiment 1
Thought experiment 2
In neither case have I accounted for the benefit of F2F vs remote meetings, but that it partially because it is not obvious that a hybrid meeting has the same benefits (in terms of collaboration)
as a F2F meeting I am not advocating anything, just thinking out loud Andrew From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
On Behalf Of George Zimmerman All – please review https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/21/ec-21-0157-00-00EC-best-practices-for-mixed-mode-ieee-802-lmsc-sessions.docx
, as updating this doc will be the main agenda item for tomorrow, near-term mixed mode meeting. If you have a presentation you would like to have on the agenda, please let me know asap. -george From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich Dear EC Members and Observers, We are scheduled to have an 802 restructuring ad hoc meeting 1pm ET tomorrow Tuesday 17 August that I have decided to cancel and replace with George Zimmerman's
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