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Re: [802SEC] 802 restructuring ad hoc 1pm ET meeting 17 August 2021 to be replaced by 4pm ET Near Term Mixed Mode Meeting sub ad hoc

Andrew, et. al.,

Please do not confuse cost (expenses for a meeting) and price (meeting fee).
Meetings have expenses that make up the total cost.
Meeting fees are the price the attendee pays.
Costs for the meetings are accounted for and reported.
Meeting Fees are set indirectly from the costs.
As Clint has reported, when we were constantly running a deficit (cost), we raised the meeting fee (price).
WHen we felt like the reserve was too high, the meeting fee was set to not meet the total cost and the difference was taken from the reserves.

The Meeting fees for the last in person meeting was $600/$700/$900. (Nov 2019)
However, for those meetings, the cost of that meeting was $850 average per person .
So many did not pay even the average cost of the meeting.

For the July 2021 Electronic Plenary -
The Meeting fee was set at $50/$75.
The costs are not fully accounted for yet and the average is not determined, but the average will not be exactly what the price (meeting fee) was.
The Treasurer's report will provide this detail later.

If you have an in person meeting, the incremental costs of providing remote access for those not able to travel is non-trival.
I think your thought plan has trivialized the work to determine the cost and what the price point should be set to.

George is leading the discussion to address these distinctions and the possible logistics to provide access for a mixed mode meeting.
Let's try to give him a chance.
Jon


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On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 6:18 PM Andrew Myles (amyles) <00000b706269bb8b-dmarc-request@ieee.org> wrote:

G’day George

 

Your notes on financial considerations inspired me to run a couple of thought experiments.

 

Assumptions

  • The registration fee for a F2F meeting in the old days was about $500 per week (sometimes more)
  • The registration fee for a remote meeting is about $50

 

Thought experiment 1

  • Assume that the baseline is a F2F meeting, with a cost of $500
  • Now assume a group of people decide they would prefer to attend remotely
  • Clearly this group, rather than the F2F attendees, should be responsible for any marginal costs
  • Those marginal costs are likely to be
    • Additional per person costs that arise from a smaller F2F meeting
    • Additional costs from extra gear necessary to support a hybrid meeting
  • My guess is that remote attendance will cost roughly the same as F2F attendance

 

Thought experiment 2

  • Assume that the baseline is a remote meeting, with a cost of $50
  • Now assume a group of people decide they would prefer to attend F2F
  • Clearly this group, rather than the remote attendees, should be responsible for any marginal costs
  • Those marginal costs are likely to be
    • Additional per person costs that arise from a small F2F meeting
    • Additional costs from extra gear necessary to support a hybrid meeting
  • My guess is that F2F attendance will cost roughly the twice today’s F2F attendance

 

In neither case have I accounted for the benefit of F2F vs remote meetings, but that it partially because it is not obvious that a hybrid meeting has the same benefits (in terms of collaboration) as a F2F meeting

 

I am not advocating anything, just thinking out loud

 

Andrew

 

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org> On Behalf Of George Zimmerman
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2021 8:29 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 restructuring ad hoc 1pm ET meeting 17 August 2021 to be replaced by 4pm ET Near Term Mixed Mode Meeting sub ad hoc

 

All – please review https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/21/ec-21-0157-00-00EC-best-practices-for-mixed-mode-ieee-802-lmsc-sessions.docx , as updating this doc will be the main agenda item for tomorrow, near-term mixed mode meeting.

If you have a presentation you would like to have on the agenda, please let me know asap.

-george

 

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org> On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 12:45 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] 802 restructuring ad hoc 1pm ET meeting 17 August 2021 to be replaced by 4pm ET Near Term Mixed Mode Meeting sub ad hoc

 

Dear EC Members and Observers,

 

We are scheduled to have an 802 restructuring ad hoc meeting 1pm ET tomorrow Tuesday 17 August that I have decided to cancel and replace with George Zimmerman's Near Term Mixed Mode Meeting sub ad hoc scheduled for later in the afternoon 4pm ET Tuesday 17 August, coordinates below.

 

Join from the meeting link https://cmeconsulting.my.webex.com/cmeconsulting.my/j.php?MTID=me1457437e58b3a5680ac6bc52f5e51ae
Join by meeting number: Meeting number (access code): 2556 180 6463
Meeting password: M2Cix55ZWka (62249559 from phones and video systems)
Join by phone: +1-415-655-0001 US Toll

 

Please review the 802 restructuring ad hoc meeting notes from the 20 July 2021 below, we will follow up on the action items from the 20 July meeting at our next regularly scheduled 802 restructuring ad hoc on 21 September 2021.

 

Regards,

 

--Paul

 

 

------ Forwarded Message ------

From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@att.net>

To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org

Sent: 7/20/2021 5:52:42 PM

Subject: [802SEC] 802 restructuring ad hoc 20 July 2021 meeting notes

 

Dear EC Members and observers,

 

The meeting notes document from today's restructuring ad hoc meeting is at https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/21/ec-21-0171-00-00EC-notes-802-restructuring-ad-hoc-meeting-20-july-2021.docx 

 

 

Thank you to all that participated.

 

Regards,

 

--Paul

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