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Re: [802SEC] New epoll regarding OM

Jon,

 

                Thanks.   Yes, we just set up a Dot19 ePoll last night and no email notification.  But the ePoll system works well otherwise.

 

                I sent out an announcement email myself along with the link to the ePoll.

 

                I am glad to see the EC using the ePoll system.  It should make things easier.  I think we are going to get better at using such tools by necessity.

 

Regards,

Steve

 

From: Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:54 PM
To: Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; Jonathan Goldberg <goldberg.j@ieee.org>; Gregory Marchini <g.marchini@ieee.org>
Subject: Re: [802SEC] New epoll regarding OM

 

Hi Steve,

 There is an outstanding issue with Epoll that I logged back in March on the epoll notification issue.

Greg M. and Jonathan G. are working on it or at least have acknowledge the issue.

I would note that some people get notified when the epoll was setup.

But James sent the email below to ensure the entire 802 EC was notified. 

The 802 EC list does go to more than just those voting, but we may see more than just the 802 EC vote as the epoll does not limit it to just 802 EC members.

 

I hope that Jonathan and Greg can push the IT folks to get to the bottom of this issue and get it resolved soon.

Kind Regards,

Jon

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 12:57 PM Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:

James and Jon,

 

                Thanks for setting up the ePoll with multiple questions. I think this will be more efficient than email.

 

                I will note that Mentor is not sending out ePoll announcements automatically like it should.  We have also seen this issue in 802.19 recently.

 

Jonathan,

 

                Can you ask IEEE IT why Mentor is no longer sending out announcements of ePolls automatically anymore?  Also, it should send out the reminders too, which is not happening either.  Those are very helpful in reminding people to vote.  Thanks.

 

Regards,

Steve

 

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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 3:33 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] New epoll regarding OM

 

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There is new epoll on proposed additions to the OM.

 

https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/polls?ack=1058

 

I would request that all EC members respond to the epoll by the closing, next Tuesday so we can discuss the results on the Wednesday call.

 

The location of the proposed text in the OM has not yet been decided, I would like at this time to determine the direction of the LMSC and then work towards final wording and location.

 

Background: Recognizing that we cannot predict the next unpredictable event that makes it not possible to carry out IEEE 802 LMSC business in the ordinary manner, it is proposed that we add text that allows suspension or modification of an OM rule in the case of "extraordinary external circumstances"

 

We have not achieved consensus in a few areas, which are the subject of the epoll:

 

1) Should we include an explicit maximum time for which any suspension could be valid?

Note:

  - The motion would still have to state a time and rationale (or the LMSC would spend a lot of time complaining about the wording of the motion).  The additional text in the OM would place an upper limit on the duration of the suspension that could be requested in the motion.

 

2. Should we allow the IEEE 802 LMSC Chair to suspend the OM, unless it is objected to by any IEEE 802 LMSC voting member?

The discussion on this takes two flavors:

  - The may be some circumstance in which an early close electronic ballot cannot complete in time to respond to an exigent circumstance that we cannot predict at this time.

  - An LMSC early close ballot can complete in less than 1 hour, but even 24 hours is sufficient for these sorts of decisions.

 

3.  If the LMSC Chair is allowed to suspend the OM, what is the upper limit of the time duration for such suspension?

There are three options presented, check out the epoll for more information or ask on the reflector.

 

James Gilb

 

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