Re: [802SEC] a best practices guide on the affiliation disclosure requirements

["Benjamin A. Rolfe" <ben@BLINDCREEK.COM>]

I am sorry but the term "agreeable position" makes the statement invalid. Again the purpose of 802 is to produce standard by consensus. One builds a consensus by agreeing with others (at some point).  I would assume for most of us our future employment depends greatly on our ability to take (and persuade others to take) an "agreeable position"...and I'm equally sure that whomever wrote that did not mean to preclude the normal process of developing standards, however we are bound by what is written not what was intended. 

How do we resolve the conflicts between IEEE policy and the standards development process as practiced? I'm sure most of us share the intent to keep the process open and productive.   Jonathan's slides appear to be repeating what is captured elsewhere in binding policy, so beating up on his slides seems of limited usefulness.

just wondering.

B

On 10/30/2017 9:14 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:

That's not true - the relevant rules are applicable to all participants and some are quoted right on the participation slide:

•Participants in the IEEE standards development individual process shall act based on their qualifications and experience. (https://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/bylaws/sb_bylaws.pdf  section 5.2.1)

and 

•“Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion as individuals, and not as organizational representatives”. (subclause 4.2.1 “Establishment”, of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures)

I agree with Adrian's comment

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:21 AM, Clint Chaplin <clint.chaplin@gmail.com> wrote:

The chairs, acting as chairs, might have an obligation to be independent.  The regular WG participants, OTOH, do not have that obligation, although some may act independently anyway.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:

Hello all,

I object to this language:  "if they are influencing what positions you take on issues (e.g., if continued work is probably dependent on taking an agreeable position, then you are being influenced by that affiliate)."

We have an obligation to be independent.  Declaring an affiliation does not remove that obligation.
An affiliation may influence your judgement inasmuch as it exposes you to facts that alter your judgement
(e.g. about the value of some feature in some market).  However,  the language cited could be read as condoning
an instruction to take a position.   It should be clarified.

Best Regards,

Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Phone: +447342178905
Skype: adrian_stephens

On 28/10/2017 17:08, Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear EC Members,

I asked Jonathan Goldberg to prepare a document that can be used as a 'best practices guide' on the declaration of affiliation requirements for 802 participants (https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/17/ec-17-0171-00-00EC-ieee-declaration-of-affiliation.pdf) and to briefly introduce the topic at the opening EC meeting.  I want to ensure the policy is well understood and applied consistently across all our groups. To that end, Jonathan and Kathryn will make themselves to present the full slide deck for discussion and answer questions during your group plenary meetings.  Please share the slide deck and allocate time to review during the November plenary session with your groups.

Regards,

--Paul

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Clint Chaplin
Principal Standards Engineer
Samsung Research America

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