David:
Thank you. I believe this is something that could (should) be part of
the EC Chair editorial privilege, not a part of the TAG approval
process.
Paul:
How do you want to handle this?
Rich Kennedy
Director, Global Spectrum Strategy
Board Director, Dynamic Spectrum Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group
Chair Emeritus, IEEE 802.11af WLAN in TVWS
Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum & Regulatory Task Group
rich.kennedy@hpe.com
(737) 202-7014
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Law, David
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 3:32 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
Hi Rich,
Subclause 5.1.3 'Statements to external bodies' of the IEEE-SA
Standards Board Operations manual
<http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/opman/sect5.html#5.1.3>
states that 'Each statement shall clearly identify the group creating
this statement in its opening paragraph, and shall include in that
paragraph, or a footnote thereto, the exact sentence that "this
document solely represents the views of name of group and does not
necessarily represent a position of either the IEEE or the IEEE
Standards Association."'. I suggest that this required text be added as
a footnote to the opening paragraph.
Best regards,
David
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Rich
Sent: 20 September 2017 22:55
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
Dear EC Members:
Attached is the final version of the FCC NOI response. It is based on
the version “7c”. which includes the changes agreed to by Bob and
Roger, and the formatting required for submission. Please review ASAP
so that it can be processed by the GPPC prior to uploading via the FCC
ECF system on October 2nd. Removal of the document number header is all
that is required for submission.
Thank you.
Rich Kennedy
Director, Global Spectrum Strategy
Board Director, Dynamic Spectrum Alliance Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio
Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair Emeritus, IEEE 802.11af WLAN
in TVWS Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum & Regulatory Task Group
rich.kennedy@hpe.com
(737) 202-7014
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of paul.nikolich
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
All,
I agree with as well. The 802 statement will comply with policy,
period. I believe the statement tweaks Roger and Bob agreed to today
result in such text.
Since there is a bit of confusion regarding which version is up for
approval, I recommend Rich upload the most recent Roger/Bob revision
and inform the EC asap.
Regards,
--Paul
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From: Pat Thaler <000006d722d423ba-dmarc-request@ieee.org>
Date: 9/20/17 1:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
I agree as well.
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Kennedy, Rich <rich.kennedy@hpe.com>
wrote:
Paul:
I strongly agree with Adrian on this. We cannot possibly represent
every IEEE standard. Just as industries have opposing views on
spectrum, the standards that drive their technologies will also. IEEE
should be satisfied with the fact that they do drive these industries,
allow different opinions under their umbrella, and let the regulators
make those decisions.
Thanks.
Rich Kennedy
Director, Global Spectrum Strategy
Board Director, Dynamic Spectrum Alliance Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio
Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair Emeritus, IEEE 802.11af WLAN
in TVWS Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum & Regulatory Task Group
rich.kennedy@hpe.com
(737) 202-7014
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Stephens
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:12 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
Hello Paul,
" and clearly acknowledge that other technologies have different and
conflicting and/or competing interests" - this is speculation.
I oppose its inclusion in our response.
IMHO, If other technologies have different or competing interests, it
is up to them to represent those interests in their own response.
Sincerely,
Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
Phone: +447342178905
Skype: adrian_stephens
On 2017-09-20 02:03, Paul Nikolich wrote:
Rich, Bob, Roger and All,
The guidance I received from Gordon Day, the chair of the IEEE Global
Public Policy Committee, yesterday is as follows: "If 802 or SA is to
submit a response to the NOI, I think that, at a minimum, the document
must prominently state that it is responding only from the perspective
of 802's technical domain (appropriately described) and clearly
acknowledge that other technologies have different and conflicting
and/or competing interests. It can't be seen as a position
representing all of IEEE."
I consider Gordon's recommendation an editorial change and recommend we
include language to that effect in the opening Introduction section.
Bob and Roger, since you'll be working on wording tweaks today, please
add the language. Also, add a signature from me as the 802 LMSC
Chairman. Thank you.
Regards,
--Paul
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Sent: 9/19/2017 12:47:59 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 day ECM (early close)+++ FCC NOI Response
I would appreciate it. Paul wants unanimity.
On Sep 18, 2017 6:41 PM, "Roger Marks" <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Bob,
I had no intention to weaken any coexistence statement and would prefer
that you be happy with the result. Is the issue in VIII? I moved words
around because I couldn't understand the text. Want to work offline to
find better wording?
Thanks,
Roger
On Sep 18, 2017, 8:06 PM -0600, Bob Heile <bheile@ieee.org>, wrote:
Hi Rich
I must vote no with the changes proposed by Roger and Pat. What both
propose substantially waters down the real potential to achieve
meaningful coexistence and the statement that coexistence may be a real
problem. I much prefer the language be left as it was in which case I
would vote approve.
Regards
Bob
At 03:11 PM 9/18/2017 -0700, Pat Thaler wrote:
Rich,
Overall, the text looks good. However, I've consulted with some of my
wireless colleagues and we have concerns that some of the content is
premature.
Specifically, in III, it is too early to take higher power levels
completely off the table with "limits  equal to the U-NII-1 band".
Therefore, we would prefer "with limits equal to the current 5 GHz
U-NII rules as appropriate." That leaves open the potential for 4 W
EIRP in circumstances where it technically justifiable.Â
Also, while the challenges of protecting incumbents are different in
the different bands, we think the bands should be addressed as they are
able. Lower power and/or indoor only use may mitigate the concerns in
U-NII-6 and UNII-8 bands so we aren't comfortable with the suggestion
to addess U-NII-5 and U-NII-7 first. We suggest this replacement for
the last sentence in III: "Therefore the bands should be released as
soon as possible for each band. "
Regards,
Pat
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org>
wrote:
Rich,
I vote Approve, but please consider my attached suggestions for
improvement. Most are strictly editorial, but some are more
substantive; for example, I believe that Footnote 2 contains an
erroneous reference.
Regards,
Roger
On September 15, 2017 at 4:53:03 PM, Kennedy, Rich
(rich.kennedy@hpe.com) wrote:
Dear EC members,
Â
On Thursday, the 14th of September the IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory
Technical Advisory Group approved an input document to the FCC Notice
of Inquiry entitled “Expanding Flexible Use in Mid-Band Spectrum
Between 3.7 and 24 GHz†.
Â
The vote in the TAG was 15/0/0.
Â
I would now like to proceed to the motion in respect to this submission
I am seeking an early close (see below), as this is a somewhat urgent
matter, as Paul has been instructed to run this response through the
IEEE BoD Global Public Policy Committee process, which will take some
time. The deadline for filing is 02 October 2017. Paul has delegated
the conduct of the EC electronic ballot to me.
Â
Motion
======
Â
Approve
https://mentorieee.org/802.18/dcn/17/18-17-0114-06-0000-ieee-802-response-to-fcc-17-104.docxÂ;
as communication to the U.S. Federal Communications Commission,
granting the IEEE LMSC chair (or his delegate) editorial license.
Â
Moved by: Rich Kennedy, on behalf of the TAG Seconded by: Adrian
Stephens  Start of ballot: Friday 15 September 2017 End of ballot:
Monday 24 September 2017 AOE Â Early close: As required in subclause
4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC)
Operations Manual, this is notice that, to ensure the release is
provided in a timely manner, this ballot may close early once
sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.
Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the
required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring
approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought to the
floor by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of the
IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.
Â
Thank you.
Â
Rich Kennedy
Â
Director, Global Spectrum Strategy
Â
Board Director, Dynamic Spectrum Alliance Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio
Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair Emeritus, IEEE 802.11af WLAN
in TVWS Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum & Regulatory Task Group Â
rich.kennedy@hpe.com
(737) 202-7014
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