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Re: [802SEC] P802.11ax PAR modification

Hi Adrian,

I didn't realize that. In that case, reaffirming that the grandfathered 5C is still valid should be adequate. 

Rationale: If a PAR scope was being changed such that the 5C needed editing (e.g. adding additional functionality; addressing different markets needs), it should be made into a CSD, but in a case where the original 5C still applies, reaffirming it should be enough.

Regards,
Pat

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:

Hello Pat,

And is this true,  given that 802.11ax predates the CSD document (i.e.,  it has a 5C)?

Sincerely,

Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Skype: adrian_stephens
On 31/08/2017 23:41, Pat Thaler wrote:
In many other cases where a PAR modification was done, the WG has reaffirmed the CSD. This serves to indicate that the WG believes that the modification to the PAR didn't change the 5C. 

Our Proceedure for PARs (LMSC OM 9) doesn't say anything about PAR modification, but it does say in 9.2:
"PARs that which introduce no new functionality are exempt from the requirement to provide a CSD statement."

The PAR modification proposed expands the scope of the PAR (by increasing the range of the band it will cover). Therefore it does change the functionality, perhaps in a small way but a functionality change. Confirming the CSD would confirm that the WG believes that this extension doesn't alter the technical and economic feasibility of the project. It would be consistent with the spirit of the text from 9.2 above - new functionality requires a PAR.

Therefore, I think that the CSD should be included in the WG motion. 

When we did a PAR modification IEEE 802.1AS-Rev to add maintenance items the WG and EC motions did not include the CSD (though in an abundance of caution, the WG passed a separate motion to confirm the CSD in case that became an issue at the EC). Since maintenance PARs don't require CSD, it was consistent to approve the addition of them to the scope of the existing PAR without reaffirming the CSD.

Regards,
Pat

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:

Dear EC,

In July,  802.11 approved a PAR modification to P802.11ax thus:

Believing that the PAR modification contained in the document referenced below meets IEEE-SA guidelines,
Request that the PAR modification contained in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-0913-02-00ax-par-modification-to-support-6-ghz-band.docx  be posted to the IEEE 802 Executive Committee (EC) agenda for WG 802 preview and EC approval to submit to NesCom.

Moved: Osama Aboul-Magd
Seconded: Peter Ecclesine
Result: 48-0-0 Passes
TGax result: Moved: Rich Kennedy,  Seconded: Stephen Palm, Result: 54-0-0

The original PAR was approved in April 2014.

I believe that the original 5C in document: https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/13/11-13-1410-06-0hew-802-11-hew-draft-par-and-5c.docx applies,  as this predates the CSD requirements.

I don't believe the 5C needs to be re-approved.    If anybody can show that I'm wrong,  please do so,
asap,  as we have an interim coming up in a couple of weeks where this could be considered.

-- 
Sincerely,

Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Skype: adrian_stephens
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