Re: [802SEC] Green card cancellations for Vancouver
"The Executive Secretary may, at his discretion, fully refund an 802 Plenary registration fee when circumstances beyond the registrant's control prevents them from attending after they have registered."
Respectfully proposed,
Geoff Thompson
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 4:06 PMPST, James Gilb <000008e8b69871c2-dmarc-request@ieee.org> wrote:
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> Jon
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> I agree with your point. We already handle issues for anyone, at any meeting, who has circumstances beyond their control, that prevents them from attending after they have registered.
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> Trying to exactly word smith this into a rule would be very difficult.
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> James Gilb
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> On 01/31/2017 08:59 AM, Jon Rosdahl wrote:
>> While I am sympathetic to the motion, I don't see the need.
>> We have in the past consistently given full refunds for those that have
>> Visa/migration issues.
>> We also have always address Medical emergencies as well without a motion of
>> the EC.
>> The General Policy that we have followed, I Believe, is sufficient to
>> address each request for refund.
>> I see that trying to regulate good behavior is always fraught with wording
>> dependencies that someone may feel is enough and yet another wants
>> different wording.
>> I think that the sentiment from the EC is to be fair and just yet merciful
>> to the refund process.
>> Respectfully,
>> Jon
>> IEEE 802 Executive Secretary
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>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Benjamin Rolfe <ben@blindcreek.com> wrote:
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>>> Using that wording we will issue no refunds. The Whitehouse, INS and State
>>> department have all issued "clarifications" which clearly state "green
>>> card" holders (permanent residents) are not affected by the EO. Thus there
>>> are no "green card holders" which are affected by the EO.
>>> I am guessing this is not the point of the motion? My best guess is that
>>> we wish to allow people who are afraid that, despite the reality, they may
>>> not be allowed re-entry, to cancel without penalty? In which case I would
>>> modify the wording:
>>>
>>> Move that any attendee who has concerns that the immigration policy of the
>>> United States or any other nation might prevent re-entry into their country
>>> of residence following the march meeting be given a full refund of
>>> registration fees upon cancellation.
>>>
>>> That removes the requirement for 802 to determine who is affected, and is
>>> not discriminatory against people residing in the US.
>>>
>>> As I have no vote, I will state only a preference that the motion be
>>> clear, non-discriminatory and within the ability of 802 to execute.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On 1/31/2017 12:49 AM, Adrian Stephens wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Clint.
>>>
>>> All - the tentative wording I have for such a motion follows.
>>> Comments/corrections welcome.
>>> Motion: Move that any US green card holder of a nationality affected by
>>> recent US President
>>> executive orders who believes they will be prevented from re-entering the
>>> USA after the March 2017
>>> meeting in Vancouver be given a full refund of registration fees paid on
>>> cancellation.
>>> Moved: Adrian Stephens
>>> Seconded: Clint Chaplin
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Adrian Stephens
>>> IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
>>> mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
>>> Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032 <(971)%20203-2032>
>>> Phone: +447342178905 <+44%207342%20178905>
>>> Skype: adrian_stephens
>>>
>>> On 31/01/2017 08:32, Clint Chaplin wrote:
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>>> I would second such a motion
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Adrian Stephens <
>>> adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear EC,
>>>>
>>>> I have had one email from an 802 member who is Iranian and a green card
>>>> holder.
>>>> He is currently taking legal advice, but believes he should not travel
>>>> to Vancouver because of fear of exclusion from the USA on attempted
>>>> re-entry.
>>>>
>>>> I will make a motion to allow a full refund for such individuals at the
>>>> EC telecon.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Stephens
>>>> IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
>>>> mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
>>>> Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
>>>> Phone: +447342178905
>>>> Skype: adrian_stephens
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>>> Clint Chaplin
>>> Principal Standards Engineer
>>> Samsung Research America
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