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AllIt will be good to get some clarity on the issue as I know that, at least in San Diego, the radio news on some stations have not been truthful regarding the order. They have mischaracterized it as a ban on individuals of a specific religion, rather than a limited ban based on being a national of one of 7 countries. (Which is still potentially an issue for IEEE 802).
That said, I don't know how we can discuss "forthcoming restrictions" as we can't possibly know what they are. We could discuss current restrictions.
We do know the following:- Section 3(c): Citizens of 7 countries (identified previously by the Obama administration as "high risk program countries") have had the permission to enter the US suspended for 90 days from the date of the order (27 January 2017). That means on or about 4/27/17, they would be able to use a visa to enter the US.
- The policy was clarified to exempt green card holders (as well as "foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas", Section 3(c))
- A non-U.S. national who is not a U.S. green card holder currently in the U.S. who left to attend the Vancouver meeting might be unable to return to the U.S. until after 4/27/17.
- Section 3(e): On or about 4/27/17, "the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs." (A report listing the countries is due in 30 days, Section 3(b), and the countries have 60 days to comply, Section 3(d))
Such a designation would then act to prevent individuals from those countries from visiting the U.S., like for example, to attend an IEEE 802 meeting. The initial list is supposed to be available in late February and we would know in late April if any of the countries on the list were not found to be in compliance. Once we know what those countries, if any, are so designated, then it would be appropriate to consider the location of meetings not already under contract.
The indefinite ban for "nationals of Syria" (Section 5(c)) has to do with "U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP)", which is unrelated to visiting the U.S. for tourism, business or meetings. There is also a 120 day suspension of USRAP for all countries, similar to the temporary suspension under the Obama administration for refugees from Iraq in 2011, but again, that is unrelated to our business.
James Gilb On 01/29/2017 07:30 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Colleagues- I suggest that we add an agenda item to the EC phone call next week. Subject: Motion to have an EC open discussion session in a Monday tutorial time slot on the subject of appropriate meeting venues given possible forthcoming restrictions on travel GeoffOn Jan 29, 2017, at 7:07 PMPST, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote: I agree and support the suggestion of a tutorial slot. The participants will be interested in an airing of various approaches and the implications. Regards, Roger On Jan 29, 2017, 7:46 PM -0700, Pat Thaler <000006d722d423ba-dmarc-request@ieee.org>, wrote:I think we do need to discuss this. The suggestion of a March tutorial slot is good (though it doesn't leave time to change May meetings if that was even possible). The stay by the judge was only for part of the executive order.. What was blocked was deporting the people who are at airports now (with visas, green cards, etc.) The stay doesn't require letting them into the country, so they may be in limbo held at the airport until it is worked out. As far as I've heard, there hasn't been any stay on the part about not issuing visas. On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org <mailto:thompson@ieee.org>> wrote: Adrian- The situation is, unfortunately, more complicated than that. (BTW, your subject line is incorrect. The March plenary is in "America" but not in the US. It is sort of like the difference between Britain and England.) The President's order has been stayed by a Federal Court ruling (that's good). So it has no effect in the short term. Long term remains to be seen. Moving our meetings to outside the US will not solve things under the current order of the President. That is because US residents with "Green Cards" (i.e. a lawful permanent resident of the USA) apparently cannot re-enter the US under the order. Thus any member of 802 who is caught up in this mess may not be able to travel to a non-US 802 meeting and then return home. Thus we may be damned either way. More good news is that the initial measure was only for 90 days. The bad news is that we have no idea what the follow-up orders might be. I agree that the question should be open for discussion. My question would be the venue for that discussion. I don't think the EC reflector or the EC phone call is sufficiently open. It is not appropriate for a regular 802 EC meeting because of the time constraints imposed by our regular business. My suggestion would be a special session in one of the Monday evening tutorial slots. That should allow for full (non-conflicted) participation by all interested parties. That would fully satisfy our very real commitment to openness Whether any such discussion can come up with a satisfactory solution proposal is a different question. Sincerely, Geoff Geoffrey O. Thompson IEEE 802 Executive Committee GraCaSI Standards Advisors Mountain View, CA 94043-5286 <tel:94043-5286> <thompson@ieee.org <mailto:thompson@ieee.org>> +1.540.227.0059 <tel:(540)%20227-0059>On Jan 29, 2017, at 1:24 AMPST, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org <mailto:adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org>> wrote: Dear colleagues, Now that the USA discriminates about who can enter the country based on their country of birth, we may have members or potential meeting attendees who cannot attend meetings of IEEE 802 because of that discrimination. I raise the question for discussion as to whether it is appropriate to hold IEEE 802 meetings in the USA while this policy is in effect, given that one of the pillars of the IEEE-SA is open participation. -- Best Regards, Adrian Stephens IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org <mailto:adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> Phone: <>+1 (971) 203-2032 <tel:+1%20(971)%20203-2032> Phone: <>+447342178905 <tel:+447342178905> Skype: adrian_stephens ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.
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