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Here is a link to the full text of the executive order:Other than scheduling a discussion for the plenary, it difficult to say what this executive order will mean for the conduct of our business. There may be decisions in court or in congress that affect its implementation.Several have asked if we know how many of our participants might be affected by the executive order. There may be attendees who are residents of other countries but nationals of the countries listed in the executive order and we don't track that data.---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Michael J. Lynch <MJLynch@mjlallc.com> wrote:All,
At least as of this morning it seems that the administration has exempted green card holders from the previous hassle on re-entry to the US.
BR,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Is America a suitable venue for 802 meetings?
---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.At the risk of butting in, a few points I might suggest, to put this in context:
- Agree with Ben, we need the facts on what actions the U.S. has/is taking, as best as we can at the time of the discussion. It does seem to be very dynamic, between executive orders and court actions.
- As Geoff points out, this does/may not only affect members trying to attend meetings in the U.S., but could also affect members who are currently based in the U.S, but fear leaving to attend meetings outside, because they may not be able to get back home.
- How do any policies enacted recently by the U.S. compare to prior policies, or other countries’ policies? This is not the first or only situation where some countries, including the U.S., block (or least make very difficult) entry for nationals from certain other countries. Perhaps this one is more directly affecting our membership – but we need to have a more complete view to treat this objectively.
MarkFrom: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Is America a suitable venue for 802 meetings?
Do we have a list of which IEEE 802 members cannot attend meetings in the US as a result of this order?
Steve
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Stephens
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Is America a suitable venue for 802 meetings?
Hello Ben,
I'm not exactly sure (after all, I'm not a US citizen), but I think the executive order that might be relevant is:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/ executive-order-protecting- nation-foreign-terrorist- entry-united-states
Best Regards,Adrian StephensIEEE 802.11 Working Group Chairmailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.orgPhone: +1 (971) 203-2032Phone: +447342178905Skype: adrian_stephensOn 30/01/2017 17:35, Benjamin Rolfe wrote:
Would someone post a link to the source material (the executive order) being discussed? I feel strongly that venue decisions should be made on facts, not political reactions, and would like to study the facts prior to the discussion and/or contributing an opinion.
Thanks
Ben
On 1/29/2017 7:30 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Colleagues-
I suggest that we add an agenda item to the EC phone call next week.
Subject: Motion to have an EC open discussion session in a Monday tutorial time slot
on the subject of appropriate meeting venues given possible forthcoming restrictions on travel
Geoff
On Jan 29, 2017, at 7:07 PMPST, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
I agree and support the suggestion of a tutorial slot. The participants will be interested in an airing of various approaches and the implications.
Regards,
Roger
On Jan 29, 2017, 7:46 PM -0700, Pat Thaler <000006d722d423ba-dmarc-request@ieee.org >, wrote:I think we do need to discuss this. The suggestion of a March tutorial slot is good (though it doesn't leave time to change May meetings if that was even possible).
The stay by the judge was only for part of the executive order.. What was blocked was deporting the people who are at airports now (with visas, green cards, etc.) The stay doesn't require letting them into the country, so they may be in limbo held at the airport until it is worked out.
As far as I've heard, there hasn't been any stay on the part about not issuing visas.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
Adrian-
The situation is, unfortunately, more complicated than that.
(BTW, your subject line is incorrect. The March plenary is in "America" but not in the US. It is sort of like the difference between Britain and England.)
The President's order has been stayed by a Federal Court ruling (that's good). So it has no effect in the short term. Long term remains to be seen.
Moving our meetings to outside the US will not solve things under the current order of the President. That is because US residents with "Green Cards" (i.e. a lawful permanent resident of the USA) apparently cannot re-enter the US under the order. Thus any member of 802 who is caught up in this mess may not be able to travel to a non-US 802 meeting and then return home. Thus we may be damned either way.
More good news is that the initial measure was only for 90 days. The bad news is that we have no idea what the follow-up orders might be.
I agree that the question should be open for discussion. My question would be the venue for that discussion. I don't think the EC reflector or the EC phone call is sufficiently open. It is not appropriate for a regular 802 EC meeting because of the time constraints imposed by our regular business. My suggestion would be a special session in one of the Monday evening tutorial slots. That should allow for full (non-conflicted) participation by all interested parties. That would fully satisfy our very real commitment to openness Whether any such discussion can come up with a satisfactory solution proposal is a different question.
Sincerely,
Geoff
Geoffrey O. Thompson
IEEE 802 Executive Committee
GraCaSI Standards Advisors
Mountain View, CA 94043-5286
On Jan 29, 2017, at 1:24 AMPST, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Now that the USA discriminates about who can enter the country based on their country of birth,
we may have members or potential meeting attendees who cannot attend meetings of IEEE 802
because of that discrimination.
I raise the question for discussion as to whether it is appropriate to hold IEEE 802 meetings
in the USA while this policy is in effect, given that one of the pillars of the IEEE-SA is
open participation.--Best Regards,Adrian StephensIEEE 802.11 Working Group Chairmailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.orgPhone: +1 (971) 203-2032Phone: +447342178905Skype: adrian_stephens---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.
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