| Bob:
IEEE SA staff is not the Standards Association, and they have no more authority to interpret the rules than you, James or I. ProCom, the SASB and the BOG are the keepers of the rules, not staff. ProCom is responsible for interpretations of the SASB Ops Man, not staff, and as evidenced by previous myProject problems, the interpretation of the rules made by the myProject programmer(s) has no more authority than a staff interpretation.
Therefore, it looks to me that the invitation process presents risk. As a former RevCom member, the time gap between the invitation close and the 5 day extension would be troublesome. RevCom is unpredictable and every year has a slightly different character. In my years of SASB activity, RevCom has more than once contradicted staff advice to a WG Chair.
The second risk is appeal. If that happened, it falls to the appeals officer to determine if it is frivolous or of substance. Having served as the IEEE SASB Vice Chair for Appeals years ago, I would have allowed an appeal had this action come before me, simply based on a direct reading of SASB Operation Manual 5.4.2, and the innovation close notice James sent below. If the currently relevant appeals officer felt similarly, it puts the matter in the hands of an appeals panel. If the appellant specified the rule, the announcement of close and a highly disconnected in time extension, and your argument was that you were simply following staff advice, I am less than confident that the panel would decide in your favor.
I’ll not argue what you should do, simply highlight the risks you are taking on for both RevCom when it considers the project, and providing possible grounds for appeal.
Bob Grow
James
The SA is the keeper of the rules. I consulted them on the age of
the pool and whether we could proceed and if not what action should be
taken. Their recommendation was to reopen the invite for 5 days, which I
did. MyProject did not object. It sounds like your disagreement is with
the Standards Association.
Regards
Bob
At 02:05 PM 6/2/2015 -0700, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
Bob
MyProject is supposed to implement, roughly, the rules. It does not
define them. In some instances, it does not allow correct
implementation.
The fact that MyProject allows you to change the end date of the
invitation is a bug, not a feature as the invitation was not open between
December 6, 2014 and 15 May 2015.
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 06/02/2015 08:59 AM, Bob Heile wrote:
James
That all fine and well but it is not what MyProject says or allows.
All
I can say is, I consulted with the SA on the proper process and
followed
their recommendations to the letter. And people in the invite pool
who
had not joined previously saw it and joined so it did what it was
supposed to do. I did not check to see if anyone chose to drop out. I
am
assuming not.
Regards
Bob
At 08:44 AM 6/2/2015 -0700, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
Bob
The invite opened on November 5, 2014 and closed on December 5,
2014,
after that people were not able to join the pool.
The invite automatically closes unless you choose to extend it.
It
was not extended, hence it closed on December 5, 2014.
See the message below:
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To: "C/LM/WG802.15/802.15.4q Sponsor Ballot Designee"
<drsemami@yahoo.com>, "C/LM/WG802.15 Chair"
<bheile@ieee.org>,
"C/LM/WG802.15 Chair" <bob_heile@yahoo.com>, "C/LM
Standards
Representative" <gilb@ieee.org>
Subject: Your invitation for IEEE P802.15.4q has closed
This notification is to advise you that the invitation for
P802.15.4q
IEEE Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks--Part 15.4:
Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs) Amendment for
an
Ultra Low Power Physical Layer has closed. Please log on to
myProject
https://development.standards.ieee.org/my-site/ballot-invitation-summary
to review your ballot group mix to ensure that it is balanced.
If
your group is balanced and the document is ready, you may start
your
ballot at any time by going to "Initiate Sponsor Ballot" on
your
control panel.
Thank you.
---------------------------------------------------------------
The pool is stale and needs a new invitation as per the SASB
OM.
James Gilb
On 06/01/2015 05:30 PM, Bob Heile wrote:
James
Per your suggestion in YVR. I reopened the invite that evening.
Since
it turns out I never really closed the initial invite, the SA
suggested
I simply reopen it for 5 days, which is what I did. That brings the
pool
up to date. There were several additions. The official close date is
now
May 19, 2015. I then took the new expanded pool and sent it Lisa
and
Paul to judge the balance and if satisfied to approve the pool,
which
they have done. The SA is happy and we are good to go.
Regards
Bob
At 05:03 PM 6/1/2015 -0700, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
Bob
The ballot pool for that Sponsor ballot will expire on June 6, 2015
(the original invitation ended on December 6, 2014).
Have you re-formed the ballot pool per the SASB OM 5.4.2?
"If a ballot does not open within 6 months of the invitation
close
date, the ballot group will be considered invalid and the Sponsor
shall conduct a new invitation."
The minimum time for an invitation is 15 days.
James Gilb
On 06/01/2015 04:56 PM, Bob Heile wrote:
Greetings all-
Attached is the Conditional Approval Request Package for 15.4q we
will
be discussing on tomorrow's call. Let me know if you have any
questions.
Regards
Bob
Bob Heile, Ph.D
Director of Standards, Wi-SUN Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks
Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
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Bob Heile, Ph.D
Director of Standards, Wi-SUN Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks
Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
11 Robert Toner Blvd, Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA 02763 USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
email: bheile@ieee.org
Bob Heile, Ph.D
Director of Standards, Wi-SUN Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.15 Working Group on Wireless Specialty Networks
Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications
11 Robert Toner Blvd, Suite 5-301
North Attleboro, MA 02763 USA
Mobile: +1-781-929-4832
email: bheile@ieee.org
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