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Re: [802SEC] EC Motion to allow ITU Staff to Attend the White Space Standardization in IEEE 802 Show and Tell Meeting

Jon-
As usual, I don't have the right to vote, just the right to butt in.
My problem with the motion is that I don't think we should be passing motions that claim to enable something that is already a done deal. It just makes our records confusing to those looking back, even if we knew (more or less) what we were doing at the time. 

As for the stinking badges, my assumption was that it shouldn't be an issue.
BUT the motion should have been written to make that clear.
I would be happy to open admission to anyone who has a badge to get into the ITU building. (which means I guess that I hope that particular meeting would be in Montbrillant) 

Geoff

On 7/1/13 8:23 AM, Jon Rosdahl wrote:

I should have also included in my disapprove vote:

Also, specifically the "General Audience" adds more heartburn to the
logistics involved as well.
identification and security issues with just having "anyone" attend,
and the cost of providing badges if we try to badge/identify them.

Regards,
Jon

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Jon Rosdahl<jrosdahl@ieee.org>  wrote:

I vote Disapprove,
    The question of the attendees is not an issue as Mike Pointed out
that the ITU Staff members are able to attend in general.
   My Disapproval is based on the issue of the failure of getting the
tutorial scheduled in a timely manner in the first place.
We have heard that the members of the ITU-R are going to be out of
town and not available, so not sure the value for the effort.
Respectfully in Disagreement,
Jon

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Michael Lynch<MJLynch@mjlallc.com>  wrote:

Apurva,



Yes, do that.



Somewhere I my email archive there is an email (probably from me) that has
the ITU text regarding the IEEE membership and reciprocity. Basically they
will not charge us nor will we charge them. Watch, once this is over I’ll
find it but I have no time this morning as I have to drive to a client
meeting.



Best regards,



Mike



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Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Motion to allow ITU Staff to Attend the White Space
Standardization in IEEE 802 Show and Tell Meeting



Thanks Michael,



This pertains to both the first AND the second cases, although the motion
does not address the Case 2 specifically.



I remember that this issue was discussed at some point but I did not find
any specific motion that addressed this: that ITU staff and members be
allowed to attend the IEEE 802 meeting at no cost. Thanks for sending the
ITU Constitutions and Conventions Document this weekend. As you pointed in
the ITU CS and CV, it is specified that IEEE be allowed to participate in
ITU on a no fee basis, but converse is not specified in any of our motions
or P&P.



So this motion is valid.



Michael, as discussed over the phone, I would like to take your suggestion
as a friendly amendment to this motion to add that the IEEE 802 Chair, Mr.
Paul Nikolich extend special invitation to the ITU Staff and Members to
attend this meeting? The amended motions will read as follows.



__________________________________________________
Amended Motion
Move that ITU Staff Members, Officers and General Audience be allowed to
attend the IEEE 802 Spectrum Sharing and White Space Standardization Show
and Tell Meeting during the Tuesday, July 16th, AM2 Time Slot of the IEEE
802 Plenary Meeting at no charge. Also move that IEEE 802 Chair, Mr. Paul
Nikolich extend a special invitation to the ITU Staff, Members and Officers
to attend this meeting.

Move: Apurva N. Mody
Second: Steve Shellhammer

Start: July 1st 2013, Duration: 10 Days



Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting Rules' of the IEEE
project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual (v11
approved 16 Nov 2012) ,
this is notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner,
this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to
clearly decide a matter.

__________________________________________________



Apurva



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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lynch
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 11:21 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: EC Motion to allow ITU Staff to Attend the White Space
Standardization in IEEE 802 Show and Tell Meeting



Apurva,



A question for clarification.



Based on the status of the IEEE membership under the terms of the ITU
Constitution and Conventions (CS&  CV) all of our non-executive meetings
held there are open (and no charges are allowed) to ITU staff and members.
That topic came up several times during the process of setting up this
Plenary session at the ITU facilities in Genève..



So my question is why are we having a special motion to open up this
particular session on White Spaces to the ITU staff and members and at no
charge when they are exempt from charges in the first place? As I understand
it all those with an interest are allowed to attend our meetings if they
happen to be in Genève that week and have the desire to do so. Again, that
is quite clear according to the ITU CS&  CV.



On the other hand could you be wanting the EC to extend a special invitation
to the ITU staff and members to attend this particular presentation?



If it is this first case I do not think that this motion is needed. If the
second then yes, this is something that the EC could consider.



As regards the ITU-R WP5A Seminar in Genève on 18th November free attendance
at that event should be able to be arranged by registering for the WP5A
meeting through the IEEE SA Designated Focal Point (DFP).



Glad to discuss.



Best regards,



Mike

+1.972.814.4901



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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of apurva mody
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:43 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] EC Motion to allow ITU Staff to Attend the White Space
Standardization in IEEE 802 Show and Tell Meeting



Dear EC Members,



IEEE 802 has a unique opportunity to talk about the Spectrum Sharing and
White Space Standardization activities that are on-going within the various
802 working groups during our July Plenary at the ITU.
ITU is interested in this topic, given the recent announcement as can be
seen below.



IEEE 802.22 WG has been in discussions with other WGs that are involved in
White Space Standardization to organize a Joint Show and Tell Meeting during
the Tuesday, July 16th AM2 Time Slot. The location and meeting room has been
allocated

Location: CICG

Room: 4


We would like to make a motion that EC allows opening up this Show and Tell
Meeting to the ITU Staff Members and General Audience during the Tuesday AM2
Time Slot.

__________________________________________________
Motion
Move that ITU Staff Members, Officers and General Audience be allowed to
attend the IEEE 802 Spectrum Sharing and White Space Standardization Show
and Tell Meeting during the Tuesday, July 16th, AM2 Time Slot of the IEEE
802 Plenary Meeting at no charge.

Move: Apurva N. Mody
Second: Steve Shellhammer

Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting Rules' of the IEEE
project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual (v11
approved 16 Nov 2012) ,
this is notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner,
this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to
clearly decide a matter.

__________________________________________________

Reference -
_____________________________________________

From: Buonomo, Sergio [mailto:sergio.buonomo@itu.int]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: rwp5a, ITU (MLIST)<rwp5a@ties.itu.int<mailto:rwp5a@ties.itu.int>>
Subject: WP 5A Seminar on CRS and white spaces

Dear All,

ITU-R Working Party 5A will hold a “Seminar on Cognitive Radio Systems and
the use of White Spaces“  in Geneva, on 18 November 2013. Additional
information can be found on: http://www.itu.int/oth/R0A06000059/en.

Any suggestion on topics and potential speakers should be sent to the WP 5A
Chairman José Costa
(jose.costa@ericsson.com<mailto:jose.costa@ericsson.com>) or to myself,
preferably before 31 July 2013.

Best Regards,
Sergio

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