Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

["John D'Ambrosia" <John_DAmbrosia@DELL.COM>]

Geoff,

I see the issue now – and I think we were talking past each other. 

As I pointed out before I believe that having the two adjectives in there is important. 

I am going to suggest we remove the word “rate” and then I think we will both be happy.

 

Agreed?

 

John

 

From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:43 PM
To: DAmbrosia, John
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

 

John-
Your assertion is that "ever-increasing" and "exponential" are fully independent and non coupled modifiers of "network bandwidth growth rate"

In fact, the bandwidth growth RATE is not ever-increasing.
The RATE has been 158 % MoL for quite some time.
It is the BANDWIDTH has been ever-increasing.

Thus, to the best of my knowledge, the GROWTH RATE is not EVER-INCREASING

I believe that your phrasing is, at best, confusing and unnecessary
and, at worst, confusing and technically incorrect.

Geoff

On 43//13 9:18 AM, John_DAmbrosia@DELL.com wrote:

Geoff,

I reviewed with PR people this phrase -

ever-increasing, exponential, network bandwidth growth rate

 

“network bandwidth growth rate” – noun being described

ever-increasing – adjective modifier of the noun

separated by a serial comma

exponential  - adjective modifier of the noun

 

I believe this phrasing is correct.

 

John

 

From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org]
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 12:06 PM
To: DAmbrosia, John
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

 

John-

The sentence as constructed asserts that the exponent is ever increasing.
That is not true.
In fact, the draft says that it is not true later on in the text where it asserts that the exponent (i.e. the CAGR) is 1.58.
That growth rate has been relatively constant for years.
I.e. the growth would be approximately flat at a value between 1.25 and 1.75 if the growth were plotted as a semi-log plot with growth on the log scale and time on the linear scale.

The text asserts that there is a positive slope to the semi-log plot.
I have seen no date to support that case.

If the text said (instead):
"...to efficiently support exponential network bandwidth growth to support ever-increasing data requirements."
or you could say something like:
"...to efficiently support long term, exponential network bandwidth growth rates."


Either would be accurate.

Geoff

On 43//13 7:25 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:

David,

My input on the suggested wording that James and other has suggested.

 

The offending statement under consideration is

"to efficiently support ever-increasing, exponential network bandwidth growth rates."

 

Essentially, my interpretation of the comments is to suggest to remove either ever- increasing or exponential.  I disagree with these comments per the explanation below.

 

• "Ever-increasing" - this implies that this a continuing trend.  It is essentially putting a timing on  the growth rate, i.e. not a recent trend, and from what I can tell based on the conversations I am having, nothing that is going to change.

 

• "exponential" describes the type of growth we are seeing.

 

• Therefore, I believe applying both of these adjectives to the sentence is appropriate and frankly provides more clarity than the suggested rewording.

 

Perhaps someone has a better choice of words for "ever-increasing" but I believe that the wording is appropriate for a press release.

 

John

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:26 AM
To: Law, David
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Draft press release for review - IEEE 802.3 400 Gb/s Ethernet Study Group

 

David

 

One comment.

 

Subhead says "ever-increasing, exponential bandwidth growth rates", which sets my mind at ease, because I thought it might be ever decreasing exponential bandwidth growth rates.  Does anyone ever say "exponential growth rates" when the exponent is negative?

 

I would go with either  "exponentially-increasing bandwidth growth rates", or "ever-increasing bandwidth growth rates" or "exponentially bandwidth growth rates"

 

(Note: the same text in in the first paragraph)

 

James Gilb

 

On 03/02/2013 08:55 AM, Law, David wrote:

> Dear EC members,

> 

> I hope that a IEEE 802.3 400Gb/s Ethernet Study Group will be formed

> as a results of the IEEE 802.3 400Gb/s Ethernet Call for Interest

> taking place during the upcoming March 2013 IEEE 802 plenary. Based on

> this, in consultation with the IEEE-SA PR agency, the attached press

> release has been developed to announce the formation.

> 

> I intend to seek IEEE 802 EC approval for the press release at the

> closing IEEE 802 EC meeting on Friday 22nd March, contingent on the

> approval to form the Study Group by the IEEE 802.3 Working Group and

> the IEEE 802 EC. As you will see we are still seeking supporting

> quotes, but as the core of the release has now been drafted, in

> preparation for the vote, I would like to request comments on the

> attached draft.

> 

> Thanks and best regards, David

> 

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