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Re: [802SEC] Provision of obsolete draft standards to members



Many thanks all for responses on this.

 

Here’s what I learned:

 

Nobody objected to the principle of making obsolete drafts available to members.

That was the primary goal of my email,  and we’ll be using this (It’s Bruce’s call,  but I can see where this will go)

to make such drafts available to members.

 

Obsolete (my usage) relates to drafts obsoleted by publication of the amendment/standard/revision they become.

Obsolete does not refer to published amendments/standards/revisions that are obsoleted by a later revision.  Such

documents are available on the members’ CD in the archive directory.  They are also (in the 802.11 case) available

for purchase on Techstreet.

 

Access to obsoleted drafts should be “member access” – i.e., whatever rules the group uses to protect/share its current drafts.

 

 

(I had a comment on “everlasting access”.   This is defined to be a period p of  years where:

            p = Max(tsyat_i – n_i)

where

            tsyat = estimated remaining lifetime of member i (unsigned integer, default value (3x20)+10)

            n_i = current age of member i

            the maximum is performed over all members currently wanting or in the future likely to want to access old drafts)

 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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From: Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:54 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Provision of obsolete draft standards to members

 

Dear 802 SEC,

 

A question came up in 802.11 at the last session regarding access to obsolete standards of drafts.

(e.g. drafts of amendments that were subsequently published,  and then subsequently obsoleted by a revision).

The reasons to access such old documents might be:

1.       To avoid paying a fee for the published document (yes,  I know we have Get802 and currently a $5 fee).

2.       For historical interest,  such as documenting the development of a standard for a book or paper

3.       For legal reasons

 

802.11 removes access to such drafts as soon as they are obsoleted by publication of an amendment or revision.

There are perhaps three reasons to do this:

1.       The terms under which access to drafts is provided is to develop the amendment/revision.

2.       Looking at old drafts can be injurious to your interoperability

3.       May dissuade members from purchasing/acquiring/using the approved document

 

I have researched the IEEE-SA rules and can find no statement that says that access to drafts has to be

removed at any time.

 

 

Could I have comments from the SEC members on the following:

1.       Do you believe there are any IEEE-SA rules that prevent providing everlasting access to drafts?

2.       Do you see any practical pros and cons to this?

3.       Do you do this in your group?

 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office)
Tel: +44 7920 084 900 (mobile)
Skype: adrian_stephens

 

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