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Geoff, Yup that is me. I sent out the image file on Monday. John From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org] John- Geoff, Superseded standards are in the “archive” directory that is on the CD. John From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org] John/All- All, I will point out that on the CD that is handed out each Nov contains two directories of withdrawn standards and archived standards. It is true that they don’t contain old drafts, but they do contain older standards. John From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Kraemer Tony et al, To clarify our practice, we retain old drafts – but they are not publically accessible. If we are attempting to establish an 802 position we need to address policies for retention and method of access. Bruce From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree Yes - what Geoff said. I believe this material should be maintained in an accessible state for exactly that reason. It is often the case that drafts contain material that is relevant prior art that is removed during development and doesn't appear in the final standard. So I believe 802.11's policy is misguided in this regard.
On 4 October 2012 18:55, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote: Adrian-
Dear 802 SEC, A question came up in 802.11 at the last session regarding access to obsolete standards of drafts. (e.g. drafts of amendments that were subsequently published, and then subsequently obsoleted by a revision). The reasons to access such old documents might be: 1. To avoid paying a fee for the published document (yes, I know we have Get802 and currently a $5 fee). 2. For historical interest, such as documenting the development of a standard for a book or paper 3. For legal reasons 802.11 removes access to such drafts as soon as they are obsoleted by publication of an amendment or revision. There are perhaps three reasons to do this: 1. The terms under which access to drafts is provided is to develop the amendment/revision. 2. Looking at old drafts can be injurious to your interoperability 3. May dissuade members from purchasing/acquiring/using the approved document I have researched the IEEE-SA rules and can find no statement that says that access to drafts has to be removed at any time. Could I have comments from the SEC members on the following: 1. Do you believe there are any IEEE-SA rules that prevent providing everlasting access to drafts? 2. Do you see any practical pros and cons to this? 3. Do you do this in your group? Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) ---------------------------------------------- ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. |