Tony,
As I mentioned before, the EC list is not limited to EC members. Do
you propose to require affiliation statements and endorsement
statements for everyone who is allowed to use this list?
jl
On 7/12/2012 2:06 PM, Tony Jeffree
wrote:
John -
I hate to break it to you, but this is a
conversation on the EC exploder about EC rule changes. I
think that is an activity of the EC.
If you had kept out of the discussion I
might have agreed with you :)
Regards,
Tony
On 6 July 2012 19:29, J Lemon <jlemon@meus.us>
wrote:
I see no reason why I, as a non-voting member of the EC,
should need to show either endorsement or affiliation. I
don't partake in any activities of the EC. So why would I
need to prove that some entity endorses my lack of
activities? And since I can't vote, how does my affiliation
have any effect on anything?
John Lemon
Chair of Hibernated 802.17
On 7/6/2012 10:56 AM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
James,
Speaking as the guy who will have to deal with people
next go around - I would like to see both letters
(endorsement / affiliation) called out in the rules,
and believe both voting and non-voting should be
required to provide both.
John
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On
Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:40 PM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July
meeting
All
BTW: The issue here is the endorsement letter. The
affiliation letter
is required by ruling of the Chair. I suspect that
you both are
referring the the endorsement letter.
We could modify the text in c) (for the affiliation
letter) to say
something like:
c) Recognition that the individual is expected to
act as both a
professional and as an individual expert and, if
voting, in accordance
with the conditions stated in the Voting Guidance
subclause of the IEEE
802 Operations Manual.
That would cover it, I think.
James Gilb
On 07/06/2012 07:41 AM, Pat Thaler wrote:
I agree with John. An additional reason is that
non-voting EC members can also have substantive
assignments from the EC chair including sitting on
appeals panels.
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On
Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 5:31 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July
meeting
James,
I believe all members, including their alternates,
of the sponsor should be required to provide the
necessary letters of endorsement.
Non-voting members should also provide the
affiliation letter. A modified version of the
affiliation letter, which doesn't include the
statement regarding how to vote, should also be
required. IMHO, such individuals still contribute
to a decision process without voting by their
participation in the debate of issues.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 8:15 PM
To: 802 EC
Subject: [802SEC] Proposed rule changes for July
meeting
All
In the interest of getting the P&P changes onto
AudCom's agenda, I would
like to start discussion of the proposed changes by
email so that we can
have some level of consensus by the Sunday night
rules meeting that will
lead to a successful motion on Monday morning.
Accordingly, I would like to take up discussion of
one of the proposed
changes on this email in search of feedback.
Every 2 years, the Recording secretary asks for
letters of endorsement
from potential EC members. Currently the rule
states "Any person to be
confirmed by the Sponsor shall ...". I had produced
two suggestions:
a) "All members of the Sponsor shall ..."
b) "All voting members of the Sponsor shall ..."
However, I have noticed that this leaves out WG and
TAG Vice Chairs, who
are not members of the Sponsor, but can vote (under
the newly modified
rules) and are confirmed by the sponsor.
It turns out that there is no central place that
lists all the persons
that are to be confirmed by the Sponsor.
So 2 questions:
1) Should non-voting members of the Sponsor be
required to file
letters of affiliation including the statement
regarding how to vote?
2) Should we add a list of the persons to be
confirmed by the Sponsor?
James Gilb
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