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Re: [802SEC] Comment request on draft 100 Gb/s Optical Ethernet

Dan-
I must strongly disagree that once the PAR is approved that it is "too late for participants who might see an industry need to add objectives"
IF you were to reject a comment for a DISAPPROVE comment in Sponsor Ballot that asked for a new feature or requirement solely on the basis that the feature was not included in the objectives THEN you would never make it through REVCOM and Standards Board approval.
In the view of the IEEE-SA, the Sponsor Balloting Group is THE consensus group. The Working Group and its voting procedures are all nothing more than an orderly prelude to Sponsor Ballot. 
- The PAR is not a consensus document in the eyes of the SA
(appropriately so, in some sponsors they have been known to be submitted solely on the action of one person and SA procedures allow and support that.) - The OBJECTIVEs process is a process that is local to 802.3 and not even universal across 802, much less the rest of the SA. The procedures and practices of 802.3 are subordinate to those of 802 and the SA. Should they be exerted to restrict something that is allowed by the downstream procedure of the SA, the action could be overturned on appeal. To have an appeal at a late stage in the process that would result in a redo of all or part of the Sponsor Ballot process would play havoc with 802.3's (famous) ability to work to schedule.
802.3 has a very strong history of working VERY hard to have our procedures refined such that we slide through the SA balloting and approval process on a bulletproof basis. I would hate to see that tradition compromised. I understand your point that earlier participation is better for all. Be that as it may, your desire to move input upstream does not change the rules for the process that come from outside 802.3. 

Best regards,
Geoff Thompson

On 211//11 10:56 AM, Daniel Dove wrote:

Resending. Apologies if this is a duplicate.

From:  Daniel Dove<ddove@apm.com>
Date:  Wed, 02 Nov 2011 08:42:57 -0700
To:<STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject:  Re: [802SEC] Comment request on draft 100 Gb/s Optical Ethernet

Hello Jon,

Your question is a good one. The goal of the PR is to inform the industry of
the activity underway in the SG and the goals being developed within the
effort.

Since the SG is developing objectives, stating the general direction and
getting industry awareness of this activity is important and timely. Once we
have objectives, the task force will be focused on how to achieve them. At
that point, it will be too late for participants who might see an industry
need to add objectives.

Regards,

Dan


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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jon Rosdahl
Sent: 01 November 2011 13:42
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Comment request on draft 100 Gb/s Optical Ethernet
Study Group press release

Hello all,
     I would agree with Geoff's and Bob's edit suggestions.
I do have a question though....if a SG purpose is to write a PAR, why does
this PR seem to indicate that the SG will be developing the technology?
Would this not be a better press release when the task force is created?
Curious,
Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Thompson"<thompson@ieee.org>
To:<STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Comment request on draft 100 Gb/s Optical Ethernet
Study Group press release



David/Dan-

Enclosed is a marked up version of the PDF with my comments.

Geoff

On 2610//11 1:25 AM, Law, David wrote:

Dear EC members,

I have arranged for the development of the attached press release to
announce the formation of the IEEE 802.3 Next Generation 100 Gb/s Optical
Ethernet Study Group that was chartered at the last plenary. Since the
development of this press release was at the request of the Study Group
Chair and myself I'm seeking EC approval.

I will seek this approval at the opening IEEE 802 EC plenary on Monday
7th November and I'm going to request that this be placed on the consent
agenda. Based on this I would like to request comments on the attached
draft.

Thanks and best regards,
     David

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