Re: [802SEC] +++ 10-day EC Email Ballot +++ IEEE P802.3ba 40Gb/s and 100Gb/s Ethernet approval press release

[Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org>]

Dear David and EC members-

I find the wording to be clumsy and overly polysyllabic.  But it isn't 
anything a good newspaper can't prune down by a factor of two in two 
vectors, length and syllabification.

Other than that and the item below, it is sufficiently factual that I am 
willing to support it.

I too do have a problem with the phrase "the first standard ever to 
simultaneously specify two Ethernet speeds".
I believe it should be deleted.  It just isn't true.  There are many 
valid arguments against the statement.

The full 802.3 standard simultaneously specified two Ethernet speeds 
ever since the approval of 1BASE5 added 1 Mb/s into the 10 Mb/s of the 
full standard.  That amendment was approved on 12/28/87.  Just exactly 
when the next revision took place after that is not easy to determine, 
but it was certainly a long time ago.  Terminology between "revision" 
and "edition" was not as carefully managed in those days.

P802.3u (100BASE-T) added 100 Mb/s and Autonegotiation to the standard 
and was the first to enable a whole generation of products that offered 
simultaneous (automatically selected) support of attachment to networks 
of two speeds

Further, there have been at least two projects since then which arguably 
added two speeds (i.e. two or more) of PHY to the standard at the same 
time. Those would be:
 - 802.3ah EFM
 - 802.3av 10G EPON (different speeds in different directions)

Therefore, I feel that the quoted text should be removed or modified to 
more accurately reflect the true situation.

Best regards,

Geoff

On 5/6/10 1:39 AM, David_Law@3com.com wrote:
> Dear EC members,
>
> I vote APPROVE with comments.
>
> As per subclause 4.1.2.2 of the IEEE 802 LMSC operations manual, as IEEE
> 802.3 Working Group chair, I am including the viewpoint of two of my
> Working Group members in my vote as follows.
>
> Best regards,
>    David
>
>
> Comments from IEEE 802.3 voter Marek Hajduczenia
> ================================================
>
> The 10G-EPON standard was the first ever dual rate 802.3 standard ...
> might consider some different wording here.
>
> How do you enable 10GE deployments through 40GE and 100GE deployments?
>
>
> Comment from IEEE 802.3 voter John D'Ambrosia
> =============================================
>
> The release should include reference to the Data Centre applications of
> 40Gb/s and 100Gb/s Ethernet. Please change '.. more powerful server
> architectures, network providers ..' to read '.. more powerful server
> architectures, data centers, network providers ..'. Please also change '..
> high-performance computing, data centers, telecommunications carriers ..'
> to read '.. high-performance computing, data centers, telecommunications
> carriers ..'.
>
>
>
>
> ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****<STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
> wrote on 02/06/2010 20:17:20:
>
>    
> > Dear EC members,
> >
> > The IEEE-SA has prepared a press release in anticipation of the approval
> >      
>
>    
> > of IEEE P802.3ba 40Gb/s and 100Gb/s Ethernet at the upcoming IEEE-SA
> > Standards Board meeting on Thursday 17th June. This press release will
> > therefore be released on, or after, the afternoon of Thursday 17th June,
> >      
>
>    
> > contingent upon the IEEE-SA Standards Board actually voting to approve
> >      
> the
>    
> > standard that morning. As the development of this press release was at
> >      
> the
>    
> > request of the Task Force Chair and myself I'm seeking EC approval.
> >
> > Paul has delegated the conduct of the EC electronic ballot on the
> > following motion to me.
> >
> > Please note that there are a number of 'additional quotes' appended to
> >      
> the
>    
> > draft release from end users. Since this email ballot process may result
> >      
>
>    
> > in a change to the content of release, the appending of each quote to
> >      
> the
>    
> > actual release is pending final approval from the sources once they can
> > review the final release. This is on the basis that they only have the
> > ability to approve the appending of their quotes as is. They will not be
> >      
>
>    
> > able to make any further changes or additions to their quotes - or to
> >      
> the
>    
> > release itself. If they choose not to provide approval, due for example
> >      
> to
>    
> > a change in the release during this ballot, their quote will simply not
> >      
> be
>    
> > included. To allow maximum time for process I am announcing the
> > possibility of an 'early close' to this ballot (see below).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >    David
> >
> >
> > Motion
> > ======
> >
> > The EC supports the IEEE P802.3ba 40Gb/s and 100Gb/s Ethernet press
> > release, to be released contingent upon the IEEE-SA Standards Board
> >      
> voting
>    
> > to approve the IEEE P802.3ba draft as an IEEE Standard, with editorial
> > changes as deemed necessary.
> >
> > Move:   David Law
> > Second: Pat Thaler
> >
> > Start of ballot: Wednesday 2nd June 2010
> > Close of ballot: Saturday 12th June, 11:59PM AOE
> >
> > Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2.2 'Electronic Balloting' of
> > the IEEE project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations
> >      
> Manual,
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> > this is notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely
> >      
> manner,
>    
> > this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to
> > clearly decide a matter.
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> >
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