Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
Matt,
I think it would be a good thing to include the web requirements for WGs
and ECSGs into the EC OM, which I believe you currently have under
revision. ;^)
I sat in on the 802 Task Group, where they also discussed a document
retention policy. I agree with you that the 5 year deletion policy
currently in use are totally incorrect. We need to keep all documents
related to standards development for as long as possible, certainly for
as long as the working group is active or the standard is in use.
I don't know where any of those earlier materials from 802 might be. I
was to get a bunch of files from Howard when I took on the recording
secretary position. Unfortunately, I never received them. Perhaps he
still has them in a box somewhere.
Things are going very well. Thanks. I'm sorry I didn't get to see you
while I was visiting last Wednesday.
-Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-
> SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
>
> Bob,
>
> You are correct that not having the link from the LMSC home page was
an
> oversight. I'll discuss things with James Gilb and get a pointer set
up
> to the whitespace work. An Emergencies Services ECSG was approved
with
> Geoff at the helm, so I leave it to him to address your concerns for
> that group.
>
> Another interesting question is how to archive activities for the long
> term. A topic of discussion at the EC meetings was an IEEE
requirement
> to permanently delete files after 5 year. Most of us objected to that
> concept, but organizational structure have changed over the year and
> finding useful data in the maze of servers we have is daunting!
>
> I was talking to Paul and Buzz last night, and Buzz mentioned that in
> the old days the recording secretary would actually make audio
> recordings of the EC meetings to transcribe them. We were starting to
> think about creating an IEEE 802 library of sorts, but I was wondering
> if you knew what had ever become of those old recordings. They might
be
> interesting one day from a historical perspective. Buzz explained the
> origin of the Executive Secretary position and other ancient 802
trivia
> that will gradually become lost over the years. Some sort of archiving
> of such info may be of interest.
>
> Hope all is well.
>
> Mat
>
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Engineering Fellow
> BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
>
> Matt,
>
> Thank you for the pointers. I think that I may have misunderstood
your
> original email requesting to set up a "dedicated" server for the EC.
I
> think that I understood that to mean setting up a "private", i.e., not
> hosted by IEEE, server for EC study groups. With the URLs, you
> provided, my misunderstanding was brought to light. I apologize for
> that misunderstanding.
>
> However while thinking about this issue, I discovered a problem that
> needs to be solved. A nonparticipant searching for the work that you
> did with the Whitespace ECSG has no way to find this information, nor
to
> find where any follow-on work is/was being conducted. Unlike the
> LinkSec ECSG that you can find easily on the ieee802.org web site by
> following the link to "IEEE 802 Working Group & Executive Committee
> Study Group Home Pages", the Whitespace ECSG is not mentioned anywhere
> that I can find.
>
> Since you and I have been developing standards together for quite a
> while, I don't believe that it was your intent to make this work
> difficult to find. I think it was just an oversight.
>
> I would like to see a link added to the "WG and ECSG Home Pages" page
to
> another page that describes the Whitespace ECSG. The new page should
> also include a link to the mentor server for all the Whitespace ECSG
> documents and a link to where the follow-on work is/was being done.
> Something similar should be available for any new ECSG (such as the
> Emergency Services ECSG, if that was approved yesterday), before the
> first meeting of that new ECSG. The chair of the ECSG should be
> responsible for creating the ECSG's new page and providing the link so
> that James (and future recording secretaries) can add the required
> information to the 802 web site.
>
> -Bob
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-
> > SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:31 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> >
> > Here is a point to the Whitespace server and a couple of other
servers
> > we have on mentor:
> >
> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/documents
> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/documents
> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/documents
> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/documents
> > https://mentor.ieee.org/802-sg-whitespace/documents
> >
> > Most of the recent groups have been running their documents servers
> off
> > mentor rather than grouper.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Mat
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > Engineering Fellow
> > BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bohara@wysiwyg104.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:27 PM
> > To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> >
> > That seems simple enough to make work with the existing grouper
> server,
> > as well. I have just visited the 802 web site and can't find any
link
> > to the Whitespace SG and its documents. Where are they now? Are
they
> > part of another group? How does someone find any of the submissions
> to
> > that SG?
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> [mailto:STDS-802-
> > > SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:04 PM
> > > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> > >
> > > When I had the Whitespace EC Study Group, anyone could download
the
> > > files, but there was a separate list of people to post that the
> Chair
> > > (me) had to approve. That sounds like something that would work
> well
> > > for the EC to me.
> > >
> > > Mat
> > >
> > > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > > Engineering Fellow
> > > BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> > > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > > Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> > > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bohara@wysiwyg104.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:58 PM
> > > To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> > >
> > > Matt,
> > >
> > > Would the documents on this private server be available to anyone,
> > > including those not participating in the SG, at the same time
> > (roughly)
> > > as they are placed on the private server? How does this private
> > server
> > > serve the openness requirement for standards development? Will
all
> > the
> > > documents be permanently available after the SG is shut down,
> > regardless
> > > of the establishment of a PAR from its work?
> > >
> > > -Bob
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> > [mailto:STDS-802-
> > > > SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:41 AM
> > > > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > > Subject: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> > > >
> > > > James,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to add an agenda item for the meeting today
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MI EC Document server M. Sherman
10
> > > > minutes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I was running the TV Whitespace ECSG I had a dedicated
> document
> > > > server. This seemed to be a very efficient means to post and
> share
> > > > documents. The e-mail archive / website aren't always a
> convenient
> > > way
> > > > to conduct business. I'd like to conduct a motion to set up a
> > > document
> > > > server for the EC.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thoughts?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mat
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > > > Engineering Fellow
> > > > BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> > > > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > > > Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> > > > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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