Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
Bob,
You are correct that not having the link from the LMSC home page was an
oversight. I'll discuss things with James Gilb and get a pointer set up
to the whitespace work. An Emergencies Services ECSG was approved with
Geoff at the helm, so I leave it to him to address your concerns for
that group.
Another interesting question is how to archive activities for the long
term. A topic of discussion at the EC meetings was an IEEE requirement
to permanently delete files after 5 year. Most of us objected to that
concept, but organizational structure have changed over the year and
finding useful data in the maze of servers we have is daunting!
I was talking to Paul and Buzz last night, and Buzz mentioned that in
the old days the recording secretary would actually make audio
recordings of the EC meetings to transcribe them. We were starting to
think about creating an IEEE 802 library of sorts, but I was wondering
if you knew what had ever become of those old recordings. They might be
interesting one day from a historical perspective. Buzz explained the
origin of the Executive Secretary position and other ancient 802 trivia
that will gradually become lost over the years. Some sort of archiving
of such info may be of interest.
Hope all is well.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
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BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
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-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:17 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
Matt,
Thank you for the pointers. I think that I may have misunderstood your
original email requesting to set up a "dedicated" server for the EC. I
think that I understood that to mean setting up a "private", i.e., not
hosted by IEEE, server for EC study groups. With the URLs, you
provided, my misunderstanding was brought to light. I apologize for
that misunderstanding.
However while thinking about this issue, I discovered a problem that
needs to be solved. A nonparticipant searching for the work that you
did with the Whitespace ECSG has no way to find this information, nor to
find where any follow-on work is/was being conducted. Unlike the
LinkSec ECSG that you can find easily on the ieee802.org web site by
following the link to "IEEE 802 Working Group & Executive Committee
Study Group Home Pages", the Whitespace ECSG is not mentioned anywhere
that I can find.
Since you and I have been developing standards together for quite a
while, I don't believe that it was your intent to make this work
difficult to find. I think it was just an oversight.
I would like to see a link added to the "WG and ECSG Home Pages" page to
another page that describes the Whitespace ECSG. The new page should
also include a link to the mentor server for all the Whitespace ECSG
documents and a link to where the follow-on work is/was being done.
Something similar should be available for any new ECSG (such as the
Emergency Services ECSG, if that was approved yesterday), before the
first meeting of that new ECSG. The chair of the ECSG should be
responsible for creating the ECSG's new page and providing the link so
that James (and future recording secretaries) can add the required
information to the 802 web site.
-Bob
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-
> SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
>
> Here is a point to the Whitespace server and a couple of other servers
> we have on mentor:
>
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/documents
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/documents
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/documents
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/documents
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802-sg-whitespace/documents
>
> Most of the recent groups have been running their documents servers
off
> mentor rather than grouper.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mat
>
>
>
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Engineering Fellow
> BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> Office: +1 973.633.6344
> Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bohara@wysiwyg104.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:27 PM
> To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC Document Server
>
> That seems simple enough to make work with the existing grouper
server,
> as well. I have just visited the 802 web site and can't find any link
> to the Whitespace SG and its documents. Where are they now? Are they
> part of another group? How does someone find any of the submissions
to
> that SG?
>
> -Bob
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-
> > SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:04 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> >
> > When I had the Whitespace EC Study Group, anyone could download the
> > files, but there was a separate list of people to post that the
Chair
> > (me) had to approve. That sounds like something that would work
well
> > for the EC to me.
> >
> > Mat
> >
> > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > Engineering Fellow
> > BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bohara@wysiwyg104.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:58 PM
> > To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > Would the documents on this private server be available to anyone,
> > including those not participating in the SG, at the same time
> (roughly)
> > as they are placed on the private server? How does this private
> server
> > serve the openness requirement for standards development? Will all
> the
> > documents be permanently available after the SG is shut down,
> regardless
> > of the establishment of a PAR from its work?
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> [mailto:STDS-802-
> > > SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
> > > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 8:41 AM
> > > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > Subject: [802SEC] EC Document Server
> > >
> > > James,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd like to add an agenda item for the meeting today
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MI EC Document server M. Sherman 10
> > > minutes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I was running the TV Whitespace ECSG I had a dedicated
document
> > > server. This seemed to be a very efficient means to post and
share
> > > documents. The e-mail archive / website aren't always a
convenient
> > way
> > > to conduct business. I'd like to conduct a motion to set up a
> > document
> > > server for the EC.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > > Engineering Fellow
> > > BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
> > > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > > Cell: +1 973.229.9520
> > > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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