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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:17 PM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
Pat is correct about the Tuesday 5:00 PM deadline
For that reason, I revise my proposal to keep Tuesday evening
(instead of
Monday) open for TF meetings
Geoff
At 08:09 AM 10/26/2008 , Pat Thaler wrote:
I agree with this rationale. I would also like to point out
that there has
never been a prohibition on groups meeting in parallel with
the opening EC
meeting. 802.1's Interworking task group generally meets
Monday morning.
That more groups don't do this is, IMO, a demonstration of
the difficulty
of getting turn out on Monday morning.
I would also like to bring up another issue with moving the
opening EC
earlier or the closing EC later regarding transparency and
openness. Moving
them to the weekend (or late Friday night) makes it less likely that
regular 802 participants will stop by to observe. Moving opening WG
meetings to Monday morning would make it less likely that they have a
decision making turnout.
As far as tutorial schedule, remember that the comment
deadline in our PAR
process is Tuesday 5 PM so it is very desirable to have any tutorials
related to PARs before us at that session held on Monday
night enabling
those from other WGs to hear an extended explanation
supporting the PAR and
5 criteria before they make their comments. Therefore,
Tuesday is a better
candidate for giving up to WG use if we want to reduce to one
night of
tutorials.
By the way, in the past it was very common for task groups to
use Sunday or
sometimes Saturday or the week before the plenary to hold "interim"
meetings to extend the working week of the plenary. We
haven't had to use
that as much in recent years because we have become more
efficient with the
widespread use of laptops and email reflectors. But if people
need more
time, it is always an option.
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:33 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
Colleagues-
An alternate suggestion to David's as put forth below.
I would suggest that We keep the Monday EC as it is for two reasons:
- Many of our North American attendees travel on Monday morning.
David's proposal (and that of others) would force (or at least
heavily nudge) a much larger chunk of our rank and file to
travel on the weekend. While this may seem like no big deal to
those of use (a) who are officers and/or (b) come from overseas,
it is significant to many new participants who have not yet
committed themselves to working with us and, in particular,
those who have young families. These are participants who
will vote with their feet.
- My experience over the last 25 years has shown that the quality
of EC meetings is significantly handicapped by the late evening
format. That time slot has, in my strong opinion, demonstrated
a lower level of EC performance, diligence and collegiality.
Thus I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to go to an
evening time slot. (I say this in spite of my personal
metabolism
which gives me an early morning handicap.)
I would offer an alternate to get more meeting time. That would be to
eliminate the Monday tutorials and have initial TF meetings on Monday
evening. Tuesday evening would be tutorials and the Wednesday
Social would
remain.
I believe that this set-up would provide the following advantages:
- Lowest burn-out factor for the largest number of people
- The evening TF day at the front of the week when folks
are relatively
fresh.
- Lowest disturbance to room allocations/catering and
thus to ou hotel
contracts.
- At least 3 hours of additional TF time.
I look forward to our discussions on this topic in Dallas.
Best regards,
Geoff Thompson
At 10:02 AM 10/20/2008 , David Law wrote:
Hi Steve,
What is proposed here would give the WGs approximately 1.5
hours extra
daytime meeting time Monday - allowing the WG to start at
10:30AM - and
two extra evenings - eliminate Tuesday tutorial and the
Wednesday social -
which is a start.
I however still think we should consider [1] moving the
Opening EC to
Sunday evening to allow a full day of WG meetings Monday
and/or [2] moving
the closing EC to allow a half day of WG meetings Friday
morning. Allowing
WGs to meet Friday morning would also make Thursday
evening available for
WG meetings - and I would suggest that might be a better
approach rather
than eliminating the Tuesday tutorial or the social.
I do realize that what I suggest places a greater burden
on all-ready
overworked EC members, but I believe we should do
everything possible to
allow the WGs the maximum time to do work.
Best regards,
David
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STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:01 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
All,
I am NOT in favor of the following,
1. Moving Monday EC meeting to Sunday
2. Moving Friday meeting to Thursday night
However, I agree with some other ideas,
1. Eliminate the 802 plenary and shorten the Monday
EC meeting.
Get everything done by 10 AM so the WG's can start by 10:30 AM.
2. Eliminate the social.
3. Go from one night for Tutorials. Alternatively, make a
deadline of 35 days before the meeting to commit to
tutorials. That
way if we only have one night worth of tutorials we can
give Tuesday
to the WGs. They would know 35 days in advance and could plan
accordingly. They could get their agendas out 30 days in advance.
Regards,
Steve
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