Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
Agreed ... Tue instead of Mon open for TG meetings. Mon (only) for
tutorials. (can be "multi-track")
Carl
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> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: Pat Thaler
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
>
> Pat is correct about the Tuesday 5:00 PM deadline
> For that reason, I revise my proposal to keep Tuesday evening
> (instead of
> Monday) open for TF meetings
>
> Geoff
>
> At 08:09 AM 10/26/2008 , Pat Thaler wrote:
> I agree with this rationale. I would also like to point out
> that there has
> never been a prohibition on groups meeting in parallel with
> the opening EC
> meeting. 802.1's Interworking task group generally meets
> Monday morning.
> That more groups don't do this is, IMO, a demonstration of
> the difficulty
> of getting turn out on Monday morning.
>
> I would also like to bring up another issue with moving the
> opening EC
> earlier or the closing EC later regarding transparency and
> openness. Moving
> them to the weekend (or late Friday night) makes it less likely that
> regular 802 participants will stop by to observe. Moving opening WG
> meetings to Monday morning would make it less likely that they have a
> decision making turnout.
>
> As far as tutorial schedule, remember that the comment
> deadline in our PAR
> process is Tuesday 5 PM so it is very desirable to have any tutorials
> related to PARs before us at that session held on Monday
> night enabling
> those from other WGs to hear an extended explanation
> supporting the PAR and
> 5 criteria before they make their comments. Therefore,
> Tuesday is a better
> candidate for giving up to WG use if we want to reduce to one
> night of
> tutorials.
>
> By the way, in the past it was very common for task groups to
> use Sunday or
> sometimes Saturday or the week before the plenary to hold "interim"
> meetings to extend the working week of the plenary. We
> haven't had to use
> that as much in recent years because we have become more
> efficient with the
> widespread use of laptops and email reflectors. But if people
> need more
> time, it is always an option.
>
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:33 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
>
> Colleagues-
>
> An alternate suggestion to David's as put forth below.
>
> I would suggest that We keep the Monday EC as it is for two reasons:
> - Many of our North American attendees travel on Monday morning.
> David's proposal (and that of others) would force (or at least
> heavily nudge) a much larger chunk of our rank and file to
> travel on the weekend. While this may seem like no big deal to
> those of use (a) who are officers and/or (b) come from overseas,
> it is significant to many new participants who have not yet
> committed themselves to working with us and, in particular,
> those who have young families. These are participants who
> will vote with their feet.
>
> - My experience over the last 25 years has shown that the quality
> of EC meetings is significantly handicapped by the late evening
> format. That time slot has, in my strong opinion, demonstrated
> a lower level of EC performance, diligence and collegiality.
> Thus I think it would be a bad idea for the EC to go to an
> evening time slot. (I say this in spite of my personal
> metabolism
> which gives me an early morning handicap.)
>
> I would offer an alternate to get more meeting time. That would be to
> eliminate the Monday tutorials and have initial TF meetings on Monday
> evening. Tuesday evening would be tutorials and the Wednesday
> Social would
> remain.
>
> I believe that this set-up would provide the following advantages:
> - Lowest burn-out factor for the largest number of people
> - The evening TF day at the front of the week when folks
> are relatively
> fresh.
> - Lowest disturbance to room allocations/catering and
> thus to ou hotel
> contracts.
> - At least 3 hours of additional TF time.
>
> I look forward to our discussions on this topic in Dallas.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Geoff Thompson
>
> At 10:02 AM 10/20/2008 , David Law wrote:
> >Hi Steve,
> >
> >What is proposed here would give the WGs approximately 1.5
> hours extra
> >daytime meeting time Monday - allowing the WG to start at
> 10:30AM - and
> >two extra evenings - eliminate Tuesday tutorial and the
> Wednesday social -
> >which is a start.
> >
> >I however still think we should consider [1] moving the
> Opening EC to
> >Sunday evening to allow a full day of WG meetings Monday
> and/or [2] moving
> >the closing EC to allow a half day of WG meetings Friday
> morning. Allowing
> >WGs to meet Friday morning would also make Thursday
> evening available for
> >WG meetings - and I would suggest that might be a better
> approach rather
> >than eliminating the Tuesday tutorial or the social.
> >
> >I do realize that what I suggest places a greater burden
> on all-ready
> >overworked EC members, but I believe we should do
> everything possible to
> >allow the WGs the maximum time to do work.
> >
> >Best regards,
> > David
> >
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> <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
> >wrote on 18/10/2008 13:56:42:
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:01 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I am NOT in favor of the following,
> >
> > 1. Moving Monday EC meeting to Sunday
> > 2. Moving Friday meeting to Thursday night
> >
> > However, I agree with some other ideas,
> >
> > 1. Eliminate the 802 plenary and shorten the Monday
> EC meeting.
> > Get everything done by 10 AM so the WG's can start by 10:30 AM.
> >
> > 2. Eliminate the social.
> >
> > 3. Go from one night for Tutorials. Alternatively, make a
> > deadline of 35 days before the meeting to commit to
> tutorials. That
> > way if we only have one night worth of tutorials we can
> give Tuesday
> > to the WGs. They would know 35 days in advance and could plan
> > accordingly. They could get their agendas out 30 days in advance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Steve
>
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