Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] UC-EC email ballot regarding forwarding 802.20 to RevComm
Colleagues,
This conversation shows a significant flaw in the current MyBallot
comment handling which I have mentioned before.
Our ballots often have a great many "must be satisfied" comments that
are relatively minor and easily satisfied by comment resolution plus a
smaller number of comments representing disagreements that are not
resolved. Before MyBallot managed the comment resolution, we (in IEEE
802.3 at least) used a process where people were able to sign off on
their disapprove comments having been satisfactoraly resolved on a
comment by comment basis during the comment resolution. That allowed us
to go to recirculation with a usually short list of unresolved
disapprove comments that only included those issues that were truly
unresolved. This was presented to the recirculation voters in a pdf
sorted by clause that could be easily scanned so one could decide
whether to "pile on" to the unresolved comments.
MyBallot doesn't provide any way for a commenter to indicate that some
or all of the voter's comments have been satisfied before the
recirculation. As a result our voters are presented with comments
representing a few significant disagreements buried in a clutter of
resolved (but not marked as such) "must be satisfied" comments.
This results in a lower quality ballot experience than we had under the
older system.
MyBallot should provide a way for a commenter to indicate "has been
satisfied" and thus remove the comment from the list of unresolved
negatives before recirculation.
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Phillip Barber
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] UC-EC email ballot regarding
forwarding 802.20 to RevComm
Tony,
Actually, on further review, your change of vote as part of the Recirc2
is
irrelevant.
Your comment 38 in Recirc1, a technical comment tied to your Recirc1
disapprove vote, covering the matter addressed by Max, was part of the
Recirc2 recirculation. This comment deals with the same matter, in
general,
that Max identifies in his comment. The resolution of this comment can
be
used as the basis for Max's comment. The fact that you changed your vote
as
part of Recirc2 does not remove your comment 38 from the Recirc2 ballot
package, and comments in Recirc2 can be made based on the resolution of
your
comment 38 from Recirc1.
In any event, your comment 38 references Geoff Thompson's comment 451,
and
Geoff is still a disapprove voter, so Max's comment can be equally
tagged to
Geoff's comment.
Thanks,
Phillip Barber
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:01 AM
To: Phillip Barber
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] UC-EC email ballot regarding
forwarding
802.20 to RevComm
Philip -
If you are going to use my votes and comments (or anyone else's for
that matter) to bolster your argument, then you will need to be
accurate. I have no outstanding disapprove comments - my vote on the
most recent recirculation ballot was "approve".
Regards,
Tony
At 05:30 09/05/2008, Phillip Barber wrote:
>While I do not disagree that text in that section may not have changed
>during the most recent recirculation, I can say that at least
outstanding
>disapprove comments by Tony Jeffree are also directed to this same
general
>matter. So Max's comment is open and relevant to outstanding disapprove
>comments. Disallowing this comment, and especially converting Max's
vote to
>'Abstain' from 'Disapprove' is improper and irregular.
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