Re: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding 802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Personally, I see them as separate issues. Conflicted or un-conflicted
is based on a set of criteria (notably absent from this discussion BTW)
which I, for one, thought I understood, but am now confused (again).
What rights a conflicted chair has (or doesn't) is a policy issue which
is independent of the determination of conflicted-ness...
One determination shouldn't influence the other, IMHO.
john
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Rigsbee, Everett O
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Paul, I think you have the right plan in the wrong order. I personally
would be a lot more comfortable judging Mark (and other EC members) to
be not Unconflicted if I was confident that they would be able to move
and vote for WG directed positions. So I think we need to clarify what
it means to be "not Unconflicted" before we vote on his status. Doesn't
that make sense ??? :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:37 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Dear UC-EC members,
I think we must follow a two step process.
- First, let's make the determination whether Mark Klerer is
unconflicted or
conflicted.
- Second, we'll decide on how to handle his rights as either an
unconflicte
or conflicted EC member.
To take the first step, I would recommend the following UC-EC motion be
made
by an UC-EC member:
Motion: Mark Klere shall not be added to the Unconflicted EC roster.
Do I have a mover and seconder?
Regards,
--Paul
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From: "Tony Jeffree" <tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
>I would second such a motion.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
>
> At 19:59 20/04/2008, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>>Paul, I much prefer the solution proposed by Roger Marks, that any
>>conflicted EC-members be entitled to propose and vote in favor of
>>motions submitted to them as directed positions from their Working
>>Group. It just seems fairer and more even-handed. And I have offered
>>to make a motion to that effect.
>>
>>
>>Thanx, Buzz
>>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
>>Boeing IT
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
>>Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
>>Cell: (425) 417-1022
>>everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
>>Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:46 AM
>>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
>>802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
>>classification+++need mover and seconder+++
>>
>>Dear Unconflicted EC members,
>>
>>There has been discussion over the past wek regarding the
>>conflicted/un-conflicted classification of Mark Klerer, specifically
>>that if
>>he is not made a member of the UC-EC perhaps he should be given unique
>>status regarding placing 802.20 WG motions before the UC-EC. I don't
>>believe special status is needed to ensure fair and proper
consideration
>>of
>>802.20 WG business by the UC-EC. A special status will only serve to
>>complicate the unconflicted EC and conflicted EC classification
process.
>>If
>>Mark is classified as conflicted, he will have the right to propose
that
>>an
>>UC-EC member place a motion on the floor on his behalf, participate in
>>crafting the motion language and voicing an opinion on changes to it.
>>
>>To that end, I'd like to propose the following motion:
>>
>>Motion: Mark Klere shall not be added to the Unconflicted EC roster
and
>>shall have the right to propose that an UC-EC member place a UC-EC
>>motion on
>>the floor on his behalf, participate in crafting the motion language
and
>>
>>voicing an opinion on changes to it.
>>
>>I need a mover and and seconder for the above motion. Only UC-EC
>>members
>>may participate in the vote.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>--Paul Nikolich
>>
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