Re: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding 802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Paul, Sorry , but I must respectfully disagree. This is the first time
where we have faced a decision where a WG chair would be stripped of the
power to move and vote on the matters related to his own WG. So where
your principles might have been adequate for the consideration of other
WG Chairs, they do not really address the reality of Mark's situation.
So I would contend that we need to address that specific issue prior to
attempting to make the ruling of Mark's circumstance. We run serious
risk of upsetting the whole notion of a parliamentary procedure by
preventing an elected representative from doing the very job he was
elected and confirmed by the EC to perform. Either that or we need to
create a new EC membership category: Member Emasculated.
:-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:07 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Buzz,
I disagree--we must be consistent in determining the classification.
The
determination of conflicted vs unconflicted must be made using the
criteria
I established in my 3APR email (see extract below). This is consistent
with
how we have treated every EC member regarding their classification.
Once we make the above decision, then we can take the second step.
Regards,
--Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Nikolich
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: determination of unconflicted vs conflicted status of new EC
members
All,
The criteria we shall use in classifying the new EC members as
Unconflicted
or Conflicted regarding 802.20 decisions:
a) The "perception of conflict" is a test for disclosure: is the EC
member
aware of a fact (about himself or someone else) that would cause a
reasonable person on the outside looking in to believe that the member
had
an interest in the outcome or for whatever reason was unable to decide
in
the best interest of the IEEE.
b) The test for a determination of an "actual conflict" was whether
there
was in fact an interest that could prevent someone from making an
unbiased
decision.
[...rest of email deleted...]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rigsbee, Everett O" <everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com>
To: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>;
<STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Paul, I think you have the right plan in the wrong order. I personally
would be a lot more comfortable judging Mark (and other EC members) to
be not Unconflicted if I was confident that they would be able to move
and vote for WG directed positions. So I think we need to clarify what
it means to be "not Unconflicted" before we vote on his status. Doesn't
that make sense ??? :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:37 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
Dear UC-EC members,
I think we must follow a two step process.
- First, let's make the determination whether Mark Klerer is
unconflicted or
conflicted.
- Second, we'll decide on how to handle his rights as either an
unconflicte
or conflicted EC member.
To take the first step, I would recommend the following UC-EC motion be
made
by an UC-EC member:
Motion: Mark Klere shall not be added to the Unconflicted EC roster.
Do I have a mover and seconder?
Regards,
--Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Jeffree" <tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
classification+++need mover and seconder+++
>I would second such a motion.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
>
> At 19:59 20/04/2008, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>>Paul, I much prefer the solution proposed by Roger Marks, that any
>>conflicted EC-members be entitled to propose and vote in favor of
>>motions submitted to them as directed positions from their Working
>>Group. It just seems fairer and more even-handed. And I have offered
>>to make a motion to that effect.
>>
>>
>>Thanx, Buzz
>>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
>>Boeing IT
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
>>Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
>>Cell: (425) 417-1022
>>everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
>>Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 11:46 AM
>>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #4 regarding
>>802.20+++determine Mark Klerer's unconflcted/conflicted
>>classification+++need mover and seconder+++
>>
>>Dear Unconflicted EC members,
>>
>>There has been discussion over the past wek regarding the
>>conflicted/un-conflicted classification of Mark Klerer, specifically
>>that if
>>he is not made a member of the UC-EC perhaps he should be given unique
>>status regarding placing 802.20 WG motions before the UC-EC. I don't
>>believe special status is needed to ensure fair and proper
consideration
>>of
>>802.20 WG business by the UC-EC. A special status will only serve to
>>complicate the unconflicted EC and conflicted EC classification
process.
>>If
>>Mark is classified as conflicted, he will have the right to propose
that
>>an
>>UC-EC member place a motion on the floor on his behalf, participate in
>>crafting the motion language and voicing an opinion on changes to it.
>>
>>To that end, I'd like to propose the following motion:
>>
>>Motion: Mark Klere shall not be added to the Unconflicted EC roster
and
>>shall have the right to propose that an UC-EC member place a UC-EC
>>motion on
>>the floor on his behalf, participate in crafting the motion language
and
>>
>>voicing an opinion on changes to it.
>>
>>I need a mover and and seconder for the above motion. Only UC-EC
>>members
>>may participate in the vote.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>--Paul Nikolich
>>
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