[802SEC] +++ Final Talley for LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
Dear EC members,
First, Thanks to all who participated (including non-EC member who
provided inputs). Below you will find the final results on this ballot.
The comments are included below the vote counts. Please let me know if
you see any errors in the accounting.
FYI, I've included all late comments and votes. Also, I plan to develop
a recommended comment resolution and circulate it prior to the July
plenary. It will be discussed at our usual Sunday Night P&P Review
meeting. I recommend that we also use that slot to discuss the Chairs
Guide.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
Voters DNV DIS APP ABS Comments Provided?
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CH Paul Nikolich DIS Yes
V1 Mat Sherman DNV
V2 Pat Thaler DIS Yes
ES Buzz Rigsbee DNV
RS Bob O'Hara DIS Yes
TR John Hawkins DNV
01 Tony Jeffree DNV
03 Bob Grow DNV
11 Stuart Kerry DIS Yes
15 Bob Heile DNV
16 Roger Marks DIS Yes
17 John Lemon DIS Yes
18 Mike Lynch DNV
19 Steve Shellhammer DIS Yes
20 Arnie Greenspan DIS Yes
21 Vivek Gupta DNV
22 Carl Stevenson DIS Yes
ME Geoff Thompson non-voting
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TOTALS DNV DIS APP ABS
total: -08- -09- -00- -00-
Ballot Comments:
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greenspana@bellsouth.net
Mon 6/25/2007 4:19 PM
Just for the record my late vote is disapprove pending resolotion of the
comments and concerns that have been forwarded.
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Pat Thaler [pthaler@broadcom.com]
Mon 6/25/2007 2:49 PM
Disapprove
Required comments
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7.1.2.1:
I agree with Steve's concerns about the chair's list, though to execute
that the remedy proposed by Roger Marks is more complete (i.e. delete a
and b and change c (the new a) to putting all matters to vote of the
LMSC.
7.2.4.1
In most of our working groups, the chairs choose to put some procedural
matters to majority vote and the text should reflect this. Change b) to:
Decide procedural matters or put them to a majority vote.
For consistancy with this, change 7.2.4.2 to "Voting on Technical
Matters".
7.2.2 and 7.2.6.1
The WG treasurers (where the working group has a treasury) should have
an equivalent list of duties as the LMSC treasurer. This list could be
put under 7.2.6.1 bullet b) which currently has an incomplete list.
The following are non-required comments - the first is text that was not
changed by this draft.
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7.1.2
An appointed WG or TAG chair could be read as both voting and
non-voting. The list of voting members of the EC shows Chairs of Active
Working Groups and TAGs without qualifying that so it could be read to
include appointed ones. Then the non-voting list says appointed WG or
TAG chairs. Ideally we would clarify the voting chairs as elected and
confirmed chairs.
Acting positions also is a bit confusing. What acting position is there
where the transition to non-acting is an election? WG and TAG chairs
were already covered. The only other elected officer is the LMSC Chair
but there is no provision for choosing an acting one - the vice-chair
acts and already is a voting member. "or elected" should be deleted.
Secondly, I think in the past what we have actually done would be:
"Acting positions (prior to confirmation)," because in the past we have
allowed the person to vote once confirmed. Or, if we want to keep it as
is "Acting positions (prior to the close of the plenary session where
confirmed)" because it is confirmation rather than appointment that
changes the officer from acting to regular status and because
appointment could occur between sessions in case of an abrupt vacancy.
7.2.1
Shouldn't we list duties for the Executive Secretary as well. Also, for
consistancy, move the vice-chair duty serving in case of unavailability
or incapacity of the chair to here and use the same text as for WG
vice-chairs.
Regarding other comments that have been made:
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7.1.2 I don't agree with the comment suggesting adding a parlimentarian
non-voting officer. I think that one of the existing officers should be
able to pick up this duty if the chair feels it necessary.
7.2.1.2 and 7.2.2.3 I prefer 30 days.
Roger Marks comment 2: the text looks fine to me except "have that
position be considered". Formally in parlimentary procedure, "to
consider" is to have a motion and non-voters don't have the right to
make motions so this should be deleted. (Editorial "No action" should
start a new paragraph after the bulleted list. It looks like some
formatting was lost in these comments.)
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Bob O'Hara (boohara) [boohara@cisco.com]
Sun 6/24/2007 5:44 PM
I vote disapprove. I will change to approve, if the comments supplied
by the other EC members are addressed.
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Roger B. Marks [r.b.marks@ieee.org]
Sun 6/24/2007 5:20 PM
See:
http://ieee802.org/secmail/msg09408.html
http://ieee802.org/secmail/pdf00289.pdf
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Paul Nikolich [paul.nikolich@att.net]
Sun 6/24/2007 2:16 PM
I disapprove. I will change to approve if Steve Shellhammer's and
Stuart's recommended changes are made.
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J Lemon [jlemon@ieee.org]
Mon 6/18/2007 8:33 PM
I vote disapprove, with the following comments:
page 2, line 25, substantive: Add "The Vice Chair of a WG shall be
considered the Chair of the WG for this purpose in the case of
unavailability or incapacity of the Chair."
page 2, line 27, substantive: Add "The Vice Chair of a TAG shall be
considered the Chair of the TAG for this purpose in the case of
unavailability or incapacity of the Chair."
page 2, line 31, substantive: I see no reason why appointed chairs would
not be voters. Wasn't Arnie appointed?
page 2, line 38, editorial: Correct the reference.
page 3, line 8, editorial: Change "the executive committee member and an
individual" to "the executive committee member and (for those who are
not self supporting) an individual".
page 3, line 15, editorial: Correct the reference.
page 4, line 17, substantive: Change "WG" to "WG or TAG"
page 4, line 24, substantive: Strike item e. I see no reason for such a
limitation.
page 4, line 36, substantive: Change "WG" to "WG or TAG"
page 4, line 38, editorial: Remove the hyphens between "Vice" and
"Chair" throughout this paragraph.
page 4, line 39, substantive: Remove the parenthetical phrase. It is far
from the only reason why a chair may choose to recuse; and it is not a
necessary reason to recuse.
I would change my vote to approve if the substantive comments were
addressed as I suggest (or if I were to be convinced to give up on those
that are not so addressed).
Further, I'm okay with Steve's suggested changes, and I support Stuart's
suggested changes.
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Carl R. Stevenson [wk3c@wk3c.com]
Wed 5/30/2007 10:56 AM
I agree with Steve and vote NO, but will also change my vote to YES if
the changes Steve requests are made.
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Shellhammer, Steve [sshellha@qualcomm.com]
Tue 5/29/2007 7:43 PM
I vote NO but will change my vote to a YES if the following changes are
made,
Section 7.1.2
Under non-voting members add "Parliamentarian"
Section 7.1.2.1
Remove "a) Decide which matters are procedural and technical." The
executive committee does not decide technical maters so all maters are
procedural.
Remove "c) Place technical issues to a vote by WG members"
Section 7.2.1.2
In "b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar
days of the end of meeting." change 60 to 30. There is no reason the
minutes cannot be published within 30 days.
Section 7.2.2.3
In "b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar
days of the end of meeting." change 60 to 30. There is no reason the
minutes cannot be published within 30 days.
Section 12
The text states "Both technical and procedural appeals may be made." I
am unclear on what basis someone can make a technical appeal. Please
include in the document the basis of a technical appeal.
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Stuart J. Kerry [stuart@ok-brit.com]
Thu 5/24/2007 9:15 AM
I have a problem with this one below:
7.2.2.3 WG Secretary
44
45 The Secretary shall:
46 a) Distribute the agenda at least 14 calendar days before meetings.
SJK: THIS IS NOT OR NEVER HAS BEEN THE RESPOSIBILTY OF THE 802.11
SECRETARY, BUT IS UNDER THE WG CHAIR. INDEED THE ORGINAL POSITION WAS TO
POST 30 DAYS BEFORE.
47 b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar days
of the end of meeting.
SJK: WELL IF THIS TRUE THEN WE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS AT OUR INTERIMS. THIS
NOT THE CASE FOR 802.11 WG USES THE 802.11 ADMINISTARTIVE CALENDAR PER
THE WG CHIARS PROCEDUTUAL DECION.
Respectfully I belive that this whole section should be removed for the
WG Secretary, and the only addition would be to add the point a) to the
WG Chairs list.
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Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot titled
'AudCom'. This ballot was approved at the Friday March 16, 2007 EC
meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting. The
purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot
document but relates to objections AudCom had to our P&P and desired
corrected before approving it.
Ballot Opens: May 23, 2007
Ballot Closes: June 24, 2007 11:59 PM EDT.
WG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your WG, and
invite them to comment through you.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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