Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
Disapprove
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7.1.2.1:
I agree with Steve's concerns about the chair's list, though to execute
that the remedy proposed by Roger Marks is more complete (i.e. delete a
and b and change c (the new a) to putting all matters to vote of the
LMSC.
7.2.4.1
In most of our working groups, the chairs choose to put some procedural
matters to majority vote and the text should reflect this. Change b) to:
Decide procedural matters or put them to a majority vote.
For consistancy with this, change 7.2.4.2 to "Voting on Technical
Matters".
7.2.2 and 7.2.6.1
The WG treasurers (where the working group has a treasury) should have
an equivalent list of duties as the LMSC treasurer. This list could be
put under 7.2.6.1 bullet b) which currently has an incomplete list.
The following are non-required comments - the first is text that was not
changed by this draft.
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7.1.2
An appointed WG or TAG chair could be read as both voting and
non-voting. The list of voting members of the EC shows Chairs of Active
Working Groups and TAGs without qualifying that so it could be read to
include appointed ones. Then the non-voting list says appointed WG or
TAG chairs. Ideally we would clarify the voting chairs as elected and
confirmed chairs.
Acting positions also is a bit confusing. What acting position is there
where the transition to non-acting is an election? WG and TAG chairs
were already covered. The only other elected officer is the LMSC Chair
but there is no provision for choosing an acting one - the vice-chair
acts and already is a voting member. "or elected" should be deleted.
Secondly, I think in the past what we have actually done would be:
"Acting positions (prior to confirmation)," because in the past we have
allowed the person to vote once confirmed. Or, if we want to keep it as
is "Acting positions (prior to the close of the plenary session where
confirmed)" because it is confirmation rather than appointment that
changes the officer from acting to regular status and because
appointment could occur between sessions in case of an abrupt vacancy.
7.2.1
Shouldn't we list duties for the Executive Secretary as well. Also, for
consistancy, move the vice-chair duty serving in case of unavailability
or incapacity of the chair to here and use the same text as for WG
vice-chairs.
Regarding other comments that have been made:
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7.1.2 I don't agree with the comment suggesting adding a parlimentarian
non-voting officer. I think that one of the existing officers should be
able to pick up this duty if the chair feels it necessary.
7.2.1.2 and 7.2.2.3 I prefer 30 days.
Roger Marks comment 2: the text looks fine to me except "have that
position be considered". Formally in parlimentary procedure, "to
consider" is to have a motion and non-voters don't have the right to
make motions so this should be deleted. (Editorial "No action" should
start a new paragraph after the bulleted list. It looks like some
formatting was lost in these comments.)
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
All,
As a reminder, this ballot ends today. If you have not already done
so, please provide your votes and comments. I will provide an updated
tally after the vote closes.
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:38 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
Dear EC members,
Below you will find the current results on this ballot. The ballot
closes on June 24, 2007 11:59 PM EDT.
The comments are included below the vote counts. Please let me know if
you see any errors in the accounting.
There is only one week to go! If you have not already done so, please
respond with votes / comments.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
Voters DNV DIS APP ABS Comments Provided?
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CH Paul Nikolich DNV
V1 Mat Sherman DNV
V2 Pat Thaler DNV
ES Buzz Rigsbee DNV
RS Bob O'Hara DNV
TR John Hawkins DNV
01 Tony Jeffree DNV
03 Bob Grow DNV
11 Stuart Kerry DNV Yes
15 Bob Heile DNV
16 Roger Marks DNV
17 John Lemon DNV
18 Mike Lynch DNV
19 Steve Shellhammer DIS Yes
20 Arnie Greenspan DNV
21 Vivek Gupta DNV
22 Carl Stevenson DNV
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TOTALS DNV DIS APP ABS
total: -16- -01- -00- -00-
Ballot Comments:
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Shellhammer, Steve [sshellha@qualcomm.com] Tue 5/29/2007 7:43 PM
I vote NO but will change my vote to a YES if the following changes are
made, Section 7.1.2 Under non-voting members add "Parliamentarian"
Section 7.1.2.1
Remove "a) Decide which matters are procedural and technical." The
executive committee does not decide technical maters so all maters are
procedural.
Remove "c) Place technical issues to a vote by WG members"
Section 7.2.1.2
In "b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar
days of the end of meeting." change 60 to 30. There is no reason the
minutes cannot be published within 30 days.
Section 7.2.2.3
In "b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar
days of the end of meeting." change 60 to 30. There is no reason the
minutes cannot be published within 30 days.
Section 12
The text states "Both technical and procedural appeals may be made." I
am unclear on what basis someone can make a technical appeal. Please
include in the document the basis of a technical appeal.
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Stuart J. Kerry [stuart@ok-brit.com]
Thu 5/24/2007 9:15 AM
I have a problem with this one below:
7.2.2.3 WG Secretary
44
45 The Secretary shall:
46 a) Distribute the agenda at least 14 calendar days before meetings.
SJK: THIS IS NOT OR NEVER HAS BEEN THE RESPOSIBILTY OF THE 802.11
SECRETARY, BUT IS UNDER THE WG CHAIR. INDEED THE ORGINAL POSITION WAS TO
POST 30 DAYS BEFORE.
47 b) Record and publish minutes of each meeting within 60 calendar days
of the end of meeting.
SJK: WELL IF THIS TRUE THEN WE WOULD HAVE PROBLEMS AT OUR INTERIMS. THIS
NOT THE CASE FOR 802.11 WG USES THE 802.11 ADMINISTARTIVE CALENDAR PER
THE WG CHIARS PROCEDUTUAL DECION.
Respectfully I belive that this whole section should be removed for the
WG Secretary, and the only addition would be to add the point a) to the
WG Chairs list.
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Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:16 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ AudCom
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot titled
'AudCom'. This ballot was approved at the Friday March 16, 2007 EC
meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting. The
purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot
document but relates to objections AudCom had to our P&P and desired
corrected before approving it.
Ballot Opens: May 23, 2007
Ballot Closes: June 24, 2007 11:59 PM EDT.
WG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your WG, and
invite them to comment through you.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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