Re: [802SEC] tentative results +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than 12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
I vote Disapprove because I agree with Buzz.
Also, I think it would be worthwhile to note that every existing 802
wireless standard specifies a dynamic spectrum access network. To my
knowledge, that would be an accurate statement.
Roger
On Feb 5, 2007, at 04:49 PM, Paul Nikolich wrote:
> Dear EC members,
>
> This is a resend of the tentative results which includes the
> comments associated with Buzz' disaprrove and Carl's approve
> (inserted below after the tentative results.)
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nikolich"
> <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
> To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:45 PM
> Subject: [802SEC] tentative results +++EC Email ballot (closes no
> later than 12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding
> the Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access
> Networks
>
>
> Dear EC,
>
> The tentative results for the above email ballot are shown below.
> Please confirm I have recorded your vote correctly. To those who
> have not cast a ballot please do so--the ballot closes end of day
> 12FEB2007 AOE.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
> Vote categories: APP DIS ABS DNV
> --------------------------------------------------
> VC Mat Sherman. APP
> VC Pat Thaler DNV
> ES Buzz Rigsbee. DIS w/comments
> RS Bob O'Hara. APP
> TR John Hawkins DNV
> 01 Tony Jeffree. APP
> 03 Bob Grow. APP
> 11 Stuart Kerry DNV
> 15 Bob Heile. APP
> 16 Roger Marks DNV
> 17 Mike Takefman DNV
> 18 Mike Lynch DNV
> 19 Steve Shellhammer. APP
> 20 Arnie Greenspan. DNV
> 21 Vivek Gupta DNV
> 22 Carl Stevenson APP w/ comment
> ME Geoff Thompson non-voting
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 16 TOTALS result 06 01 00 09
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> Buzz's comments:
> Colleagues, I'm sorry but this proposal does not sound workable or
> fair
> to me. Essentially we're saying, "Go ahead and form your committee;
> just don't do anything that might interfere with something we might
> want
> to do in the future."
>
> How can they possibly know what to avoid ??? I think if we want to
> protect our turf effectively, we have to volunteer to host this
> committee effort and work with them to ensure that all projects are
> coordinated properly. We can't expect to have first drink if we're
> not
> willing to carry most of the water.
>
> So I don't think I could support issuing this statement. It just
> doesn't seem to be a reasonable position to take.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------
> Carl's comment:
> Approve, with the following comment, perhaps the 2nd paragraph
> should end
> "... To the IEEE 1900 steering committee, the IEEE Standards Board,
> and the
> IEEE-SA Board of Governors."
>
> (I think the BoG should be covered.)
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nikolich"
> <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
> To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:52 AM
> Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
> 12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the
> Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
>
>
>> Dear EC members,
>>
>> Motion to approve the following text be sent in a letter from Paul
>> Nikolich
>> to the IEEE Computer Society.
>> Moved by Steve Shellhammer, seconded by Carl Stevenson.
>>
>> The decision will be made via EC email ballot and shall close no
>> later than
>> 12FEB2007 or 24 hours after all EC members cast a vote.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --Paul
>>
>>
>> ---------------------
>>
>> The IEEE 802 executive committee recommends that the Computer Society
>> not become a sponsor of the proposed standards coordinating
>> committee on
>> dynamic spectrum access networks.
>>
>> In addition the IEEE 802 executive committee recommends the Computer
>> Society forward the following comments to the IEEE 1900 steering
>> committee and the IEEE Standards Board, on behalf of IEEE 802.
>>
>>
>> IEEE 802 appreciates that some future wireless standards will
>> incorporate dynamic spectrum access technologies. In fact, IEEE
>> 802 has
>> a working group (802.22) developing a standard for unlicensed
>> broadband
>> access operation on geographically unused channels in the television
>> bands, which incorporates dynamic spectrum access technologies. IEEE
>> 802's only concern regarding the establishment of a standards
>> coordination committee (SCC) on dynamic spectrum access networks
>> (DySPAN) is any potential conflict between the SCC and activities,
>> both
>> present and future, within IEEE 802.
>>
>> The IEEE 802 organization has a long history of development of
>> wireless
>> networking standards. There are currently six wireless working groups
>> and two wireless technical advisory committees (TAGs) within IEEE
>> 802.
>> If a SCC on DySPAN were to be established the IEEE 802 leadership
>> needs
>> to be assured that the existence of such a SCC would not preclude
>> IEEE
>> 802 from initiating and running new wireless projects within IEEE 802
>> which may incorporate dynamic spectrum access technologies.
>>
>> IEEE 802 has always been the place within the IEEE for standardizing
>> wired and wireless networking standards, and we believe that
>> fundamental
>> networking standards are best handled within IEEE 802. We are sure
>> there are many additional standards developments that can be
>> covered in
>> the DySPAN SCC which will not conflict with the fundamental wireless
>> networking standards being developed within IEEE 802.
>>
>> In summary, IEEE 802 is fine with the establishment of the SCC on
>> DySPAN
>> as long as the scope of work does not conflict with the work done in
>> IEEE 802.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:17 PM
>> To: Shellhammer, Steve; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating
>> Committee on
>> Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I just re-read the inquiry from the CS-SAB Chair. It said: "If
>> LMSC/802
>>
>> wishes to formalize their involvement, then IEEE-CS should be the 3rd
>> Society join with this SCC with ComSoc & EMC."
>>
>> Based on the responses I've seen from the EC on the draft response
>> letter, I
>> think it is safe to assume LMSC is not interested in becoming
>> formally
>> involved with the SCC. Furthermore LMSC is not a 'society', the
>> Computer
>> Society is, and I would not recommend CS become involved with the
>> SCC.
>>
>> Regardless, I would prefer to have an EC decision via motion
>> regarding
>> this
>> matter, it would include approving your draft text and making a
>> recommendation against formally engaging with the proposed SCC.
>> Please
>> prepare text for a motion, obtain a second and I'll run an EC email
>> ballot.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> --Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shellhammer, Steve"
>> <sshellha@QUALCOMM.COM>
>> To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:22 PM
>> Subject: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on
>> Dynamic
>> Spectrum Access Networks
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I just wanted to send you a reminder about this. I have
>> incorporated the suggested edits. When we first talked about this
>> you
>> made an off-the-cuff comment about running an electronic ballot about
>> this. I don't know if that is necessary, but if you feel it is I
>> suggest you start it right away, since the Computer Society has asked
>> for a response by February 13.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
>> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:20 PM
>> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic
>> Spectrum Access Networks
>>
>> Carl,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your comments, which I have incorporated in to
>> revision 1 (attached).
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone else have any additional comment?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not, then Paul can send this to the Computer Society. Paul,
>> you may want to format it into a letter from you to the appropriate
>> person in the Computer Society.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
>> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carl R. Stevenson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:34 AM
>> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic
>> Spectrum Access Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have attached a couple of suggested changes to Steve's document
>> with
>> my
>>
>> initials appended to the filename.
>>
>>
>>
>> My main concern is that we not get into repeating situations
>> similar to
>> the
>>
>> one we had with a project that overlaps the scope of 802.3.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-
>> sec@ieee.org]
>> On
>>
>> Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:09 PM
>>
>> To: STDS-802-SEC@IEEE.ORG
>>
>> Subject: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic
>> Spectrum
>>
>> Access Networks
>>
>>
>>
>> EC Members,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The IEEE 1900 standards group has proposed the
>> formation of
>> a
>>
>> Standards Coordinating Committee (SCC) on dynamic spectrum access
>> networks
>>
>> (DySPAN). This is a new field of wireless networks in which an
>> unlicensed
>>
>> system dynamically utilized spectrum unused by licensed wireless
>> systems.
>>
>> The first example of this technology will be the unlicensed used of
>> unused
>>
>> TV bands. This is what is being standardized within IEEE 802.22.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul received information on this proposal (see attached)
>> from
>>
>> John Walz and Kathy Land of the Computer Society. We have been
>> asked to
>>
>> submit any comments we have to the computer society by February 13.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul and Carl and I exchanged a few email and Carl and I
>> spoke
>>
>> about this. Paul wanted someone to craft some text for our
>> comments on
>> this
>>
>> proposed SCC. So I have drafted some initial comments, which are
>> attached.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Please review these comments and send any edits or any
>> other
>>
>> comments you have to the EC reflector. I will attempt to capture the
>>
>> consensus of the feedback and will revise the comments accordingly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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