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Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New Member Introduction Meeting reminder



Geoff, 

I have no issue with the slides being ready 
sooner, as its better for the attendees. 

However, I believe a weeks availability is really more
then enough in that the majority of people will
download the slides on Friday at work and 
read them on the plane to Denver.

I still prefer the idea of public flogging :-)

cheers, 

mike

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Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortel.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:12 PM
> To: Mike Takefman (tak)
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New 
> Member Introduction Meeting reminder
> 
> Mike-
> 
> 
> At 02:15 PM 2/9/2006 , Mike Takefman (tak) wrote:
> 
> 
> 	Paul, 
> 	
> 	Buzz is right that we should get people's opinions, but 
> I'd prefer to give it a go and make the change. Then ask if 
> it was a bad idea, rather then try to get agreement on how to 
> change it (we never would).
> 	
> 	No offense to any of my fellow chairs, but the 
> information that is normally given during the opening plenary 
> is easily digestable via slideware and doesn't require all of 
> us (and them) sitting through (approximately) the same speech 
> 11 times.
> 	
> 	If we:
> 	
> 	1) Announce to the 802 world that this is what is going 
> to happen.
> 	
> 	2) Have the information on the website no later then 
> Tuesday Feb 28th. 
> 
> 
> Not soon enough
> 
> 
> 
> 	Abuse the chairs that don't meet the deadline of 
> getting information to Bob (by Monday Feb 27th noon or choose 
> a time) so he can get it onto the site by the 28th. Public 
> flogging at the opening plenary might be amusing for the 
> membership too!
> 	
> 
> 
> I think that Paul should require the slides sufficiently 
> before the opening plenary to post them and thus be able to 
> advertise that they are already up. That way the folks in the 
> audience can get them immediately via our wonderful wireless 
> network. (I see no reason why this new format should relax 
> the WG chairs' requirement for their slides.
> 
> WG Chairs that don't make the submission can then be put on 
> the spot to break format and give their status in the front 
> of the room (and they STILL have to put their slides up.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	3) As part of the Q/A take a poll (show of hands) on 
> who likes the new system and who doesn't like it (I bet a 
> whole bunch of people don't even raise their hands to either).
> 	
> 	4) Ask for comments on ways to improve the opening 
> plenary as part of the Q/A
> 	
> 	cheers, 
> 	
> 	mike
> 	
> 	-------------------------------------------
> 	
> 	Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
> 	Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
> 	Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 	3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> 	voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991 
> 	
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: Rigsbee, Everett O 
> [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
> 	> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:55 PM
> 	> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> 	> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New 
> 	> Member Introduction Meeting reminder
> 	> 
> 	> Paul,  I can appreciate your intention to make our opening 
> 	> plenary more "meaningful."  But I am concerned that there 
> 	> will be a lot of folks who come to the opening expecting to 
> 	> hear what will happen in each Working Group (because we've 
> 	> always done it that way) so they can decide where they want 
> 	> to spend their time that week.  I also think we should not 
> 	> make this large a change without asking our attendees if this 
> 	> is an improvement that they want or not.  So I suggest that 
> 	> you take 5 minutes to propose your plan to the full group, 
> 	> then let the WG's collect feedback on the notion, and the SEC 
> 	> can make a decision on Friday for GO/NOGO on Plan B to be 
> 	> effective for our July Session.  I see no reason to rush into 
> 	> making such a big change without at least first testing the 
> 	> sentiments of our attendees on the Plan.  
> 	> 
> 	> We do have a tutorial slot open so you could even do this 
> 	> exact agenda there for people to experience and then be able 
> 	> to decide for themselves, which is a better program for 
> 	> Opening Plenaries.  
> 	> 
> 	> Thanx,  Buzz
> 	> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> 	> Boeing IT - SSG
> 	> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> 	> Seattle, WA  98124-2207
> 	> (425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
> 	> Cell: (425) 417-1022
> 	> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
> 	> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:12 AM
> 	> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> 	> Subject: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New 
> 	> Member Introduction Meeting reminder
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> Dear EC members,
> 	> 
> 	> I will organize and run the opening plenary meeting 
> 	> differently in March than we have had in the past.  
> 	> 
> 	> I will not have each WG/TAG chair present their status update 
> 	> slides. Rather, you must send them to me and Bob O'Hara 1 
> 	> week prior to the opening plenary meeting (27 Feb), whereupon 
> 	> Bob will put your slide decks on the website for participants 
> 	> to review.
> 	> 
> 	> My goal is to make the opening plenary meeting more 
> 	> informative and interactive.  The meeting will be organized 
> 	> as follows: 
> 	> - opening remarks (by me and EC members as 
> appropriate) 15min, 
> 	> - Q&A with entire EC 15min, 
> 	> - presentation by someone from Staff or EC on a specific 
> 	> topic (this time by Michael Lindsay) 15min,
> 	> - Q&A on the presentation 15min,
> 	> - closing remarks 1min.
> 	> 
> 	> I would like you to send me any major items you believe are 
> 	> deserve special mention during the opening remarks.
> 	> 
> 	> A more detailed draft agenda I have in my mind at the moment 
> 	> follows.  Suggestions on improvements are welcome.
> 	> 
> 	> 1) Opening Remarks: 15 minutes
> 	> The ususual boilerplate stuff--Financial Report, Patent 
> 	> Policy, Membership Policy, general announcements (election 
> 	> notice, tutorials, new 
> 	> PARs, any major items EC members would like me to highlight, 
> 	> etc.) (Nikolich, Sherman, Thaler, Rigsbee, Hawkins, O'Hara)
> 	> 
> 	> 2) Q&A with EC members (Nikolich moderates): 15 minutes
> 	> 
> 	> 3) presentation: 15 minutes
> 	> Michael Linday (SA attorney) The dos and don'ts of IEEE SA 
> 	> 802 Standards Development
> 	> a)  imperative priniciples: due process, openeness, 
> 	> consensus, balance, right of appeal
> 	> b) code of ethics: safety, avoid conflict of interest, 
> 	> honesty, reject bribery, technical focus by qualified 
> 	> experts, be open to and provide honest 
> 	> criticism, fair treament for all, avoid injuring others 
> 	> reputations, assist colleagues in professional development
> 	> c) intellectual property: essential IP and LOA; copyright 
> 	> policy, trademark useage
> 	> d) idemnification policy
> 	> 
> 	> 4) Q&A based on presentation: 14 minutes (Nikolich moderates) 
> 	> I will also announce the location/time for further discussion 
> 	> on this topic if there is sufficient interest.  If we have an 
> 	> empty tutorial slot we'll put it there.
> 	> 
> 	> 5) Closing remarks, notices: 1 minute. (Nikolich)
> 	> 
> 	> Hopefully this will make for a much more valuable utilization 
> 	> of the time we get to address the entire 802 assembly 
> in one room.
> 	> 
> 	> Also, please remember that Pat Thaler is organizing a 'new 
> 	> member introduction' meeting to be held Monday 
> 	> morning--please let your groups know about this new feature.  
> 	> Pat--please send a note to the EC reflector with the topics 
> 	> you plan to have covered during this meeting.  Pat will have 
> 	> a Vice Chair present (David Law has volunteered this time) 
> 	> and it will be good to have a representative from each WG/TAG 
> 	> present to help field questions specific to that group--so 
> 	> please ask your group if a knowledgable member would be 
> 	> willing and available to participate in this meeting.
> 	> 
> 	> Regards,
> 	> 
> 	> --Paul
> 	> 
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