Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New Member Introduction Meeting reminder
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- Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New Member Introduction Meeting reminder
- From: "Mike Takefman (tak)" <tak@CISCO.COM>
- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:10:45 -0500
- Reply-To: "Mike Takefman (tak)" <tak@CISCO.COM>
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Geoff,
I have no issue with the slides being ready
sooner, as its better for the attendees.
However, I believe a weeks availability is really more
then enough in that the majority of people will
download the slides on Friday at work and
read them on the plane to Denver.
I still prefer the idea of public flogging :-)
cheers,
mike
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Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:12 PM
> To: Mike Takefman (tak)
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New
> Member Introduction Meeting reminder
>
> Mike-
>
>
> At 02:15 PM 2/9/2006 , Mike Takefman (tak) wrote:
>
>
> Paul,
>
> Buzz is right that we should get people's opinions, but
> I'd prefer to give it a go and make the change. Then ask if
> it was a bad idea, rather then try to get agreement on how to
> change it (we never would).
>
> No offense to any of my fellow chairs, but the
> information that is normally given during the opening plenary
> is easily digestable via slideware and doesn't require all of
> us (and them) sitting through (approximately) the same speech
> 11 times.
>
> If we:
>
> 1) Announce to the 802 world that this is what is going
> to happen.
>
> 2) Have the information on the website no later then
> Tuesday Feb 28th.
>
>
> Not soon enough
>
>
>
> Abuse the chairs that don't meet the deadline of
> getting information to Bob (by Monday Feb 27th noon or choose
> a time) so he can get it onto the site by the 28th. Public
> flogging at the opening plenary might be amusing for the
> membership too!
>
>
>
> I think that Paul should require the slides sufficiently
> before the opening plenary to post them and thus be able to
> advertise that they are already up. That way the folks in the
> audience can get them immediately via our wonderful wireless
> network. (I see no reason why this new format should relax
> the WG chairs' requirement for their slides.
>
> WG Chairs that don't make the submission can then be put on
> the spot to break format and give their status in the front
> of the room (and they STILL have to put their slides up.
>
>
>
>
> 3) As part of the Q/A take a poll (show of hands) on
> who likes the new system and who doesn't like it (I bet a
> whole bunch of people don't even raise their hands to either).
>
> 4) Ask for comments on ways to improve the opening
> plenary as part of the Q/A
>
> cheers,
>
> mike
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399 cell:613-220-6991
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O
> [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:55 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New
> > Member Introduction Meeting reminder
> >
> > Paul, I can appreciate your intention to make our opening
> > plenary more "meaningful." But I am concerned that there
> > will be a lot of folks who come to the opening expecting to
> > hear what will happen in each Working Group (because we've
> > always done it that way) so they can decide where they want
> > to spend their time that week. I also think we should not
> > make this large a change without asking our attendees if this
> > is an improvement that they want or not. So I suggest that
> > you take 5 minutes to propose your plan to the full group,
> > then let the WG's collect feedback on the notion, and the SEC
> > can make a decision on Friday for GO/NOGO on Plan B to be
> > effective for our July Session. I see no reason to rush into
> > making such a big change without at least first testing the
> > sentiments of our attendees on the Plan.
> >
> > We do have a tutorial slot open so you could even do this
> > exact agenda there for people to experience and then be able
> > to decide for themselves, which is a better program for
> > Opening Plenaries.
> >
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing IT - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > Cell: (425) 417-1022
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:12 AM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New
> > Member Introduction Meeting reminder
> >
> >
> > Dear EC members,
> >
> > I will organize and run the opening plenary meeting
> > differently in March than we have had in the past.
> >
> > I will not have each WG/TAG chair present their status update
> > slides. Rather, you must send them to me and Bob O'Hara 1
> > week prior to the opening plenary meeting (27 Feb), whereupon
> > Bob will put your slide decks on the website for participants
> > to review.
> >
> > My goal is to make the opening plenary meeting more
> > informative and interactive. The meeting will be organized
> > as follows:
> > - opening remarks (by me and EC members as
> appropriate) 15min,
> > - Q&A with entire EC 15min,
> > - presentation by someone from Staff or EC on a specific
> > topic (this time by Michael Lindsay) 15min,
> > - Q&A on the presentation 15min,
> > - closing remarks 1min.
> >
> > I would like you to send me any major items you believe are
> > deserve special mention during the opening remarks.
> >
> > A more detailed draft agenda I have in my mind at the moment
> > follows. Suggestions on improvements are welcome.
> >
> > 1) Opening Remarks: 15 minutes
> > The ususual boilerplate stuff--Financial Report, Patent
> > Policy, Membership Policy, general announcements (election
> > notice, tutorials, new
> > PARs, any major items EC members would like me to highlight,
> > etc.) (Nikolich, Sherman, Thaler, Rigsbee, Hawkins, O'Hara)
> >
> > 2) Q&A with EC members (Nikolich moderates): 15 minutes
> >
> > 3) presentation: 15 minutes
> > Michael Linday (SA attorney) The dos and don'ts of IEEE SA
> > 802 Standards Development
> > a) imperative priniciples: due process, openeness,
> > consensus, balance, right of appeal
> > b) code of ethics: safety, avoid conflict of interest,
> > honesty, reject bribery, technical focus by qualified
> > experts, be open to and provide honest
> > criticism, fair treament for all, avoid injuring others
> > reputations, assist colleagues in professional development
> > c) intellectual property: essential IP and LOA; copyright
> > policy, trademark useage
> > d) idemnification policy
> >
> > 4) Q&A based on presentation: 14 minutes (Nikolich moderates)
> > I will also announce the location/time for further discussion
> > on this topic if there is sufficient interest. If we have an
> > empty tutorial slot we'll put it there.
> >
> > 5) Closing remarks, notices: 1 minute. (Nikolich)
> >
> > Hopefully this will make for a much more valuable utilization
> > of the time we get to address the entire 802 assembly
> in one room.
> >
> > Also, please remember that Pat Thaler is organizing a 'new
> > member introduction' meeting to be held Monday
> > morning--please let your groups know about this new feature.
> > Pat--please send a note to the EC reflector with the topics
> > you plan to have covered during this meeting. Pat will have
> > a Vice Chair present (David Law has volunteered this time)
> > and it will be good to have a representative from each WG/TAG
> > present to help field questions specific to that group--so
> > please ask your group if a knowledgable member would be
> > willing and available to participate in this meeting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --Paul
> >
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