Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New Member Introduction Meeting reminder
I agree with Mike.
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Takefman (tak) [mailto:tak@CISCO.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New
> Member Introduction Meeting reminder
>
> Paul,
>
> Buzz is right that we should get people's opinions, but I'd
> prefer to give it a go and make the change.
> Then ask if it was a bad idea, rather then try to get
> agreement on how to change it (we never would).
>
> No offense to any of my fellow chairs, but the information
> that is normally given during the opening plenary is easily
> digestable via slideware and doesn't require all of us (and
> them) sitting through (approximately) the same speech 11 times.
>
> If we:
>
> 1) Announce to the 802 world that this is what is going to happen.
>
> 2) Have the information on the website no later then Tuesday
> Feb 28th. Abuse the chairs that don't meet the deadline of
> getting information to Bob (by Monday Feb 27th noon or choose
> a time) so he can get it onto the site by the 28th. Public
> flogging at the opening plenary might be amusing for the
> membership too!
>
> 3) As part of the Q/A take a poll (show of hands) on who
> likes the new system and who doesn't like it (I bet a whole
> bunch of people don't even raise their hands to either).
>
> 4) Ask for comments on ways to improve
> the opening plenary as part of the Q/A
>
> cheers,
>
> mike
>
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>
> Michael Takefman tak@cisco.com
> Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:55 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and
> New Member
> > Introduction Meeting reminder
> >
> > Paul, I can appreciate your intention to make our opening plenary
> > more "meaningful." But I am concerned that there will be a lot of
> > folks who come to the opening expecting to hear what will happen in
> > each Working Group (because we've always done it that way)
> so they can
> > decide where they want to spend their time that week. I
> also think we
> > should not make this large a change without asking our attendees if
> > this is an improvement that they want or not. So I suggest
> that you
> > take 5 minutes to propose your plan to the full group, then let the
> > WG's collect feedback on the notion, and the SEC can make a
> decision
> > on Friday for GO/NOGO on Plan B to be effective for our
> July Session.
> > I see no reason to rush into making such a big change
> without at least
> > first testing the sentiments of our attendees on the Plan.
> >
> > We do have a tutorial slot open so you could even do this
> exact agenda
> > there for people to experience and then be able to decide for
> > themselves, which is a better program for Opening Plenaries.
> >
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing IT - SSG
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > (425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > Cell: (425) 417-1022
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:12 AM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: [802SEC] Opening Plenary Meeting Changes and New Member
> > Introduction Meeting reminder
> >
> >
> > Dear EC members,
> >
> > I will organize and run the opening plenary meeting differently in
> > March than we have had in the past.
> >
> > I will not have each WG/TAG chair present their status
> update slides.
> > Rather, you must send them to me and Bob O'Hara 1 week prior to the
> > opening plenary meeting (27 Feb), whereupon Bob will put your slide
> > decks on the website for participants to review.
> >
> > My goal is to make the opening plenary meeting more informative and
> > interactive. The meeting will be organized as follows:
> > - opening remarks (by me and EC members as appropriate) 15min,
> > - Q&A with entire EC 15min,
> > - presentation by someone from Staff or EC on a specific
> topic (this
> > time by Michael Lindsay) 15min,
> > - Q&A on the presentation 15min,
> > - closing remarks 1min.
> >
> > I would like you to send me any major items you believe are deserve
> > special mention during the opening remarks.
> >
> > A more detailed draft agenda I have in my mind at the
> moment follows.
> > Suggestions on improvements are welcome.
> >
> > 1) Opening Remarks: 15 minutes
> > The ususual boilerplate stuff--Financial Report, Patent Policy,
> > Membership Policy, general announcements (election notice,
> tutorials,
> > new PARs, any major items EC members would like me to highlight,
> > etc.) (Nikolich, Sherman, Thaler, Rigsbee, Hawkins, O'Hara)
> >
> > 2) Q&A with EC members (Nikolich moderates): 15 minutes
> >
> > 3) presentation: 15 minutes
> > Michael Linday (SA attorney) The dos and don'ts of IEEE SA
> > 802 Standards Development
> > a) imperative priniciples: due process, openeness, consensus,
> > balance, right of appeal
> > b) code of ethics: safety, avoid conflict of interest,
> honesty, reject
> > bribery, technical focus by qualified experts, be open to
> and provide
> > honest criticism, fair treament for all, avoid injuring others
> > reputations, assist colleagues in professional development
> > c) intellectual property: essential IP and LOA; copyright policy,
> > trademark useage
> > d) idemnification policy
> >
> > 4) Q&A based on presentation: 14 minutes (Nikolich
> moderates) I will
> > also announce the location/time for further discussion on
> this topic
> > if there is sufficient interest. If we have an empty tutorial slot
> > we'll put it there.
> >
> > 5) Closing remarks, notices: 1 minute. (Nikolich)
> >
> > Hopefully this will make for a much more valuable
> utilization of the
> > time we get to address the entire 802 assembly in one room.
> >
> > Also, please remember that Pat Thaler is organizing a 'new member
> > introduction' meeting to be held Monday morning--please let your
> > groups know about this new feature.
> > Pat--please send a note to the EC reflector with the topics
> you plan
> > to have covered during this meeting. Pat will have a Vice Chair
> > present (David Law has volunteered this time) and it will
> be good to
> > have a representative from each WG/TAG present to help
> field questions
> > specific to that group--so please ask your group if a knowledgable
> > member would be willing and available to participate in
> this meeting.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --Paul
> >
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