Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting

["Grow, Bob" <bob.grow@INTEL.COM>]

Buzz:

802.3 interims are always subject to ballot cycles.  Last year, it was
fine for everyone getting together.  This year, it seems to be
additional meetings for some projects with most making a general
interim.  I should vote that my vote in support of an 802 treasury
hosted January 2007 meeting should not be considered a commitment for
each task force in 802.3 to attend.

--Bob Grow 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:25 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC
meeting

Hi Pat,  Yes, we have roomblock and function space review periods after
each plenary session including the November 2006 session with the
ability to adjust up or down by 20% without penalty.  We also have NO
Attrition penalty for rooms but we do have a sliding scale charge for
the reserved meeting space if we do not make at least 70% of our final
adjusted roomblock.  That seems pretty safe to me since we do have all
of the usual Force Majeure protections for any disaster or acts of
terrorism.  

They were offerring us additional rooms at the Hilton Park Lane but I
was advised that it is several miles and a complicated transit ride away
from the Hilton London Metropole, so we opted for rooms at the Hilton
London Paddington instead which is just two-blocks away and just above
the Edgware Road transit station.  I do think proximity is a rather
important factor for our folks but we can certainly publish a list of
other recommended accommodations for those who are a bit more
adventuresome and/or price sensitive.  


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:50 AM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC
meeting


Buzz,

Yes, I also noted that discrepancy in the results and interpreted it
similarly. I agree that the type of venue we need will be expensive in
London and elsewhere in Europe - even in January. The meal inclusions do
help. 

I'm glad to hear that we are being careful in our room block size. Am I
correct in assuming we can adjust this as usual? Since this is an
interim it is possible some working groups could opt out. 

By the way, when you are looking at some alternative lower cost
accommodations, I can recommend the small Hilton London Mews property
(which is tucked behind the eyesore London Hilton Park Lane) is lovely
and can have good rates. It must be an acquisition because it is more a
typical little English hotel with small but comfortable rooms. They were
very gracious in handling the unexpected as I was there on that 9/11 so
the staff was continually dealing with cancellations, extensions and
guests who didn't know when they would be able to continue their
travels.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Monday, 25 July, 2005 9:22 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC
meeting

Pat,  We did approve it assuming a major contract adjustment and I
prefaced the pitch by observing that it was at the upper end of what
folks indicated was tolerable for them.  But the way I read the survey
results is that where two-thirds thought we should seek more
international venues even though it would be more expensive, less than
50% indicated willingness to pay much more than what we are currently
paying for US venues.  This of course does not compute, so I had to
assume there was a bit of pricing deflation being factored into the
results.  I do think what we are being offerred is about as good a
possible deal as we can get for London, so if we ever want to go there
this is our shot.  It also allows us to start our trend to international
venues at the earliest possible opportunity, January 2007, something
which speaks to our commitment to be an international Standards body.
If we pass this one up, which still may happen due to contract problems,
it will be January o!
 !  f 2008 before we get another shot.  All of that being considered,
most of the EC (10-0-5) felt it was more important that we start the
international cycle rather than hold out for some possibly better deal
later.  We will find better deals for the future out there if there are
any, but we need to go with what we have.  We will try to find other
accommodations at lower rates to complement our basic block but most
folks do want to be at the site where the meeting is held if that is
possible.  We have only blocked 900 rooms for this venue, which is low
by normal standards so we are being careful on this.  And let me remind
you that the prices include a full English breakfast and a two-course
luncheon each day, as well as our usual Wednesday evening social.  Ask
Tony or Stuart, this is a great deal even if it seems pricey by American
standards.  We're just the best-buy on the planet right now.  

At least as the dollar continues to get stronger against the pound we
shall see some improvement in our cost ratios.  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:02 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC
meeting


Did we approve the London interim at the Friday EC? With all we handled,
I don't quite recall.

Comparing the responses to the registration survey and the rates for
room night and registration, it looks like we are over the threshold of
pain for a lot of attendees. Only about 25% of those not abstaining said
they would be willing to go that high in room night rate and less than
20% said that the registration fee would be acceptable.

One concern in going too high in room night rate is that people will opt
to stay at other hotels as there are definitely lower priced options in
the area which could represent a problem on our room nights. 

I know finding a usable venue at an acceptable rate is difficult and the
London location is a very nice site but it doesn't match well to our
survey results. I think we could afford to stretch on one of the two
numbers (particularly meeting fee which is once per member per meeting)
but we are stretching both pretty far.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Saturday, 23 July, 2005 9:39 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC
meeting


OK,  here ya' go !!!

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM] 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 6:16 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] Material presented (or not) at the Friday EC meeting


If you have not already emailed me your material from the EC meeting,
please do so immediately.  Thank you.

 -Bob

Bob O'Hara
Cisco Systems - WNBU

Phone:  +1 408 853 5513
Mobile: +1 408 218 4025
 

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